I would like to remember that Windows Communication Foundation has duplex, or callback services. That allows the server notify the clients of any server events. Sounds like FDS don't you think ???
And It's free !!!!! FDS is still more easy to use and more complete. But WCF is getting there. When Microsoft solves the restrictions for the XBAP sandbox, XAML Browser applications will be a true competitor of Flex. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "dorkie dork from dorktown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you wrote, > How many enterprise / companies do you know are shopping around for > electronic forms built in PDF vs SAAS solutions? PDF is a danger in some > organisations, it's something they want to put as much distance away from as > possible and prefer to leave them buried in the Document Management > Solution(s). I'm not saying it's not worth the persuit (I think MSFT has > some stuff in this space as well, forgive me as I've not cared to look into > what they are) but do so *NOT* at the expense of FLEX/RIA development > world-wide. > > that's what i'm talking about! there is a goal here that i thought Flex/RIA > was trying to address. i thought that was to make development and developers > lives easier and add new and necessary features to progress that. > > i love flex. it is an amazing vehicle but i think we need to get the > foundation built. the flex 2 framework is part of the foundation. the data > services adapters on the server need to be part of that foundation. at least > basic amf remoting deserializers / classes. half the benefit of flex is the > data communications. client side *is* only half the application. > > flex builder - reasonably priced > flex sdk - free (great for mass adoption) > flex data services - out of reach for mass adoption of flex > > IMO that is the reason people would shop around to another solution. > > i don't see Silverlight's path in this market. if it does have something out > of the box it will have a huge advantage. > > > On 4/21/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Paul, > > > > How many enterprise / companies do you know are shopping around for > > electronic forms built in PDF vs SAAS solutions? PDF is a danger in some > > organisations, it's something they want to put as much distance away from as > > possible and prefer to leave them buried in the Document Management > > Solution(s). I'm not saying it's not worth the persuit (I think MSFT has > > some stuff in this space as well, forgive me as I've not cared to look into > > what they are) but do so *NOT* at the expense of FLEX/RIA development > > world-wide. > > > > 2002 RIA Theory was written down, people bought it (I for one, hey he also > > was the brains behind CF, so I owe my mortgage to his last idea, so figured > > he'd be worth the second). It's 2007 and RIA is supposed to be bigger! Yet, > > isn't as widespread. > > > > So, Microsoft are looking to give developers access to three tiers of User > > Experience through a more mature approach that goes beyond the runtime stck > > with a focus on the developers initially, get them on firm footing, then go > > look at the higher ends of town as by this point developers, whom are just > > as important, have validated the substance of the technology on merit. > > > > Good Experience > > AJAX / HTML / CSS > > > > Great Experience > > Silverlight > > > > Ultimate Experience > > Windows Presentation Foundation > > > > > > ASP.NET 2.0 has reduced effort by up to two-thirds since ASP 1.0 was > > produced, I say this as being a Coldfusion developer for 9 years I'm amazed > > at how fluent one is able to go from ASP to AJAX, so I can only hint that > > going from ASP.NET AJAX to Silverlight is going to be enormous in > > productivity gains and with the right tools, this hopefully should seem > > effortless. Steve.B looked like a loon when he jumped up and down about > > "Developers, Developers, Developers" but he was right, this is where the > > focus should be at the start of technology, expand when you get their > > blessing first and this is based off of "uptake". > > > > Validating RIA? Hate to break the news to one and all, but Microsoft's > > focus is to stimulate the online/offline application market whom have been > > using DHTML solutions for years, to get more robust and scaleable by > > offering the above three tiers of experience potential. Flash has it's own > > agenda, and Microsoft isn't about to crush that - hence I why I echo, it's > > about co-existence not changing technology stacks. > > > > Adobe make great output, but I worry at times about the input as I know > > they can do better (similar with Microsoft, only reverse, great at input but > > at times need work on output). No two companies are perfect. > > > > I rant but I'm not buying Adobe's direction on this one - if I may say > > that clocked off MSFT's payroll and using Flex on my weekend(s). > > > > > > On 4/22/07, Paul DeCoursey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I agree that Adobe is ignoring a large market. The low cost remoting > > > product kind of already exists in open source, third party, and in > > > house solutions. What Adobe is doing with Live Cycle is capturing the > > > niche markets that do need PDF workflow in their RIA Applications. > > > These companies have deep pockets and will use these for projects that > > > can save them millions of dollars a year. > > > > > > I don't think that Adobe needs to have the low cost remoting product > > > in their line, and I think that Adobe is counting on third parties and > > > the community to provide those solutions. > > > > > > Paul > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com>, "Scott > > > Barnes" <scott.barnes@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I got could point for point with you and sound like a goose, but > > > overall, > > > > I'll push back with a question. How many people on this list are in > > > need of > > > > PDF work flow generation vs Remoting that's easier to work with on > > > both JAVA > > > > and .Net while at the same time have a low cost barrier. I'd like to > > > think > > > > that Scrapblog.com <http://scrapblog.com/> concepts could do more with > > > Adobe technology, instead > > > > they had to shop around and thankfully WebORB folks have a descent > > > product > > > > to cope with this burden. > > > > > > > > LiveCycle is just not ready to be slotted into RIA as it's still > > > somewhat > > > > foreign to the "RIA" momentum. It's forcing the issue. > > > > Microsoft has more to learn, and I'll be sure to flog them where I > > > can to > > > > make that happen. I'm in Seattle next week and i'm not there to eat > > > > lunch/dinners and party, I have reasons and it's to do with Web 2.0 > > > and RIA > > > > :) > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Scott Barnes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Scott Barnes > > http://www.mossyblog.com > > > > > > >
