Peter Morgan wrote:

> although there are a few "atc" client around such as
> 1) ATC
> 2) ATC2
> 3) ATCML - fav

I don't know any of these.

> so is there a way to create an "ATC client" without FG ?

Depends on what you're looking for - "ATC client" is a very vague
description. There's something like a standalone RADAR screen which
connects to MP servers. I don't have a current screenshot, so feel free
to look at these old ones to get an idea:

  http://foxtrot.mgras.net/bitmap/FGFS/KSFO_large.png
  http://foxtrot.mgras.net/bitmap/FGFS/KSFO_closeup.png

Coastlines, lakes, airfield layouts and airspaces (at least the 2D
part) are being read from Shapefiles. Source is available here:

  http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/gitweb.pl?p=openradar

The project is currently in search for a new maintainer ....

Cheers,
        Martin.
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