Hi
What happens in the code after the "Generating Sky Elements" message is
displayed? What external elements could influence the program's behaviour in
this area? (Screen Res, Clouds, computer peripherals..what?)
I would down load the source files but I only have dial-up access and would
still be downloading it when the discussion was about v2.9.9!!!
I really want to help, but need some guidance to get started....
Dene
From: "MPCEE French Bureau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "FlightGear user discussions" <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:45:30 +0100
Hello Gerard:
There are some very touchy persons on here, but some should realise there
are problems and in the main it's to do with communication or lack of it
and understanding. This is from both sides.
The latest version9.9 is not a graphics card issue. It is an issue in the
interior of the version itself. There are some Windows users with the
start-up problem and then there are those that have real problems with it.
I can say that by changing the default start-up it does work! Using the
Boing 737 (an aircraft I like very much) is the problem for me. My everyday
Concorde there is no problem, as with the Hunter etc, for the moment. I am
using any airfield and no problem. I would like to give much feed back as
an ex Fleet Air Arm aircrew, where Seahawks were used as land based dummy
deck practice, but Gannets are my dream, as I spent 2,5 years with them. As
a regular Concorde passenger in the 1980's with numerous visits to the
flight deck, to talk the business, as with 707's and 747.
Someone mentioned MS Flight Simulator; I used the first version on a small
Mac as it kept my hand in. The potential for FG is far beyond MSFS and it
allows others to use their development skills, but as I have said this does
need to be shared for all to have the benefits in extending FG to the
limits.
Is there actually someone out there collecting all the issues raised and
dealing with them?
Thank You
Martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerard ROBIN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:47 PM
To: FlightGear user discussions
Subject: RE: [Flightgear-users] Windows FGv9.9 and FGTools
Le lundi 21 novembre 2005 à 12:33 +0100, MPCEE French Bureau a écrit :
> Bonjour Fred:
>
> Je suis en France dans l'Auvergne. Si je parle très forte, tant pis,
mais
> après beaucoup des heures, avec des autres, en tant que je peux
dissiper des
> problèmes, je continua comme ça !
hello Martin,
First, thanks for trying to use the very difficult French language, and
thanks for living in our beautiful Auvergne.
I am not a FG developer only a FG user, fortunately regarding FlightGear
i am a Linux user (it is a choice, after many experiences with many
operating system)
I am an old "computer man" who knew the "big" IBM 360, and developed on
it ( it was a long time ago .....)
> Little is given to Windows' users and we have to find ways to resolve
our
> issues. We did not have access to the "pre" versions, but, yes, we are
left
> to resolve them ourselves.
I are right when you worry about a missing pre version for Windows,
however,
i would like to put the finger on:
-It is very difficult to offer a generic product which works on every
platforms, and every operating systems.
-The software companies have a policy which is to answer to the most
populated (wider market).
-The end user is delivered with a product and a costly assistance
contract. That product is supposed to answer to his own request but
very often he has to adapt himself to the product.
-Regarding the Open Source and GPL, it is less easy to develop onto
Windows than to develop onto Linux.
-The devel FG team has developed Flightgear which suit to several
platforms, that is (my opinion) a real performance.
> There are some list members who have given hours
> of their time to assist us. Like me, we thank them for this. In the main
it
> may be a graphics card/driver problem, but then again we are in the mass
> market and developers SHOULD remember this.
You probably heard about Microsoft Flight Simulator. That product
answer to the mass market =>
it is a game (big market) running onto Windows operating system (other
big market).
That game is not free. (we have to pay for it).
I am not sure that FlightGear would try to compete with Microsoft.
> I am too old and can go far
> back, but there was a spirit in being able to share information. Times
are
> changing and nowadays, these persons are few and far between. The spirit
of
> Flight Gear is excellent, but it is becoming too big and splintered,
with
> what seem many unfinished projects and no control over its ultimate
> direction. We have even had one aircraft developer recently say that he
> created an aircraft, but did not expect anyone to use it!
I am not sure be involved by that answer, may be coming from me.
When i spend time freely to do a job , the payback is only my pleasure
to do "Beautiful".
When i am fully satisfied, i offer it to others.
That is the reversed way of any market approach, sorry.
> His response was
> to someone asking why the cockpit was not finished!!! Why was it made
> available for download?
>
> There are big issues with this release and, so far, it seems to be
Windows
> related. As for non-Windows operating systems and the types of problems
we
> are reading about, these seem to be, in the main, related to how
"script" or
> "codes are written" and where to find the relevant information. What we
are
> seeing is more discontent and this is going to grow. With previous
versions,
> we heard that this or that would be resolved in the next release or new
> script (which cannot be accessed for Windows).
Each new release is for me a surprise (following each new release since
0.9.0)
The improvement is very quick, it is close to the upper technical
resources.
These technical resources are permanently in progress (look at GPU -
Graphics Processor progress during the pasted two years); A computer you
by today , will be obsolete 12 months later on.
That is probably the cause of your feeling of "never finished".
> We now have the latest
> version, but the pre release was not available for Windows' users. As I
said
> the mass market is Windows and if we were able to access developments as
> they happened, there would be more individuals available to comment on
or
> inform of problems. As it is, it is afterwards and too late to do
anything
> about it. If the problems were resolved, would Windows' users have
access to
> the changes when immediately needed? Then, in answering your question,
would
> I donate for development - yes, but only when I was assured that it
> benefited Windows' users. At this time it does not.
>
> Thank you
>
> Martin
>
Cheers
>
--
Gerard
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