On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Alan Kay <alan.n...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Loup > > <snip> > > However, Ted Nelson said a lot in each of the last 5 decades about what > kinds of linking do the most good. (Chase down what he has to say about why > one-way links are not what should be done.) He advocated from the beginning > that the "provenance" of links must be preserved (which also means that you > cannot copy what is being pointed to without also copying its provenance). > This allows a much better way to deal with all manner of usage, embeddings, > etc. -- including both fair use and also various forms of micropayments and > subscriptions. > If only we could find a way to finally deal with all that intertwingularity! > One way to handle this requirement is via protection mechanisms that "real > objects" can supply. > > Cheers, > > Alan > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Loup Vaillant <l...@loup-vaillant.fr> > *To:* fonc@vpri.org > *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:36 AM > *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess > > Martin Baldan wrote: > > That said, I don't see why you have an issue with search engines and > > search services. Even on your own machine, searching files with complex > > properties is far from trivial. When outside, untrusted sources are > > involved, you need someone to tell you what is relevant, what is not, > > who is lying, and so on. Google got to dominate that niche for the right > > reasons, namely, being much better than the competition. > > I wasn't clear. Actually, I didn't want to state my opinion. I can't > find the message, but I (incorrectly?) remembered Alan saying that > one-way links basically created the need for big search engines. As I > couldn't imagine an architecture that could do away with centralized > search engines, I wanted to ask about it. > > That said, I do have issues with Big Data search engines: they are > centralized. That alone gives them more power than I'd like them to > have. If we could remove the centralization while keeping the good > stuff (namely, finding things), that would be really cool. > > Loup. > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > -- Casey Ransberger
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