Nelson's still kicking, you know: see http://gzigzag.sourceforge.net/ for some recent spin-offs.
-- Max On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Casey Ransberger <casey.obrie...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Alan Kay <alan.n...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Hi Loup >> >> <snip> >> > > >> However, Ted Nelson said a lot in each of the last 5 decades about what >> kinds of linking do the most good. (Chase down what he has to say about why >> one-way links are not what should be done.) He advocated from the beginning >> that the "provenance" of links must be preserved (which also means that you >> cannot copy what is being pointed to without also copying its provenance). >> This allows a much better way to deal with all manner of usage, embeddings, >> etc. -- including both fair use and also various forms of micropayments and >> subscriptions. >> > > If only we could find a way to finally deal with all that > intertwingularity! > > >> One way to handle this requirement is via protection mechanisms that >> "real objects" can supply. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alan >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Loup Vaillant <l...@loup-vaillant.fr> >> *To:* fonc@vpri.org >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 1, 2012 6:36 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess >> >> Martin Baldan wrote: >> > That said, I don't see why you have an issue with search engines and >> > search services. Even on your own machine, searching files with complex >> > properties is far from trivial. When outside, untrusted sources are >> > involved, you need someone to tell you what is relevant, what is not, >> > who is lying, and so on. Google got to dominate that niche for the right >> > reasons, namely, being much better than the competition. >> >> I wasn't clear. Actually, I didn't want to state my opinion. I can't >> find the message, but I (incorrectly?) remembered Alan saying that >> one-way links basically created the need for big search engines. As I >> couldn't imagine an architecture that could do away with centralized >> search engines, I wanted to ask about it. >> >> That said, I do have issues with Big Data search engines: they are >> centralized. That alone gives them more power than I'd like them to >> have. If we could remove the centralization while keeping the good >> stuff (namely, finding things), that would be really cool. >> >> Loup. >> _______________________________________________ >> fonc mailing list >> fonc@vpri.org >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> fonc mailing list >> fonc@vpri.org >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> > > > -- > Casey Ransberger > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > >
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