On Wednesday 24 October 2001 11:54, Markus Kuhn wrote:
|   On Tuesday 23 October 2001 21:57, Sergej Malinovski wrote:
|   > I was reading the free FontLab Manual the other day and it says that
|   > you can patent fonts.
|

Markus, 
first of all, thanks a lot for clarification.

|   The verb "to patent" is a bit misleading here, because the underlying
|   legislation is not the "patent law", but the "designs law" of the
|   respective countries.
|
|   You have to distinguish between
|
|     - copyright
|     - registered trade mark
|     - registered design
|     - patent

yes, these are different things
|
|   which are different legal instruments with different rules and
| application processes, though the last three are typically administered by
| people working for the respective national patent office.
|
|   http://www.patent.gov.uk/
|   http://www.patent.gov.uk/design/definition.htm
|

Ok, let me explain what's the situation in Russia with those things.
- patent
 Under patent, people understand here some "invention", like you made new 
material which is more light than allluminium and stronger than titanium - 
so, you may apply for this.
Patents claimed in US/Europe, to my best knoledge, not valid here.
This makes absolutely legal, for example, using Delta hint in TrueType 
Bytecode Interpreter ;-)

- copyright 
under copyright people understand (again, here!) ownership for rights, 
usually for book, music, books'character, etc.
So, books are copyrighted - but I don't know how fonts are treated.
Anyway, even if copyright/patent for fonts (typefaces) exist, I am not aware 
about at lleast one case when there was law enforcement.
While non-working law can't be treated as "non-existing", it's pretty much 
can be ignored now.
 
|     What is a Design?
|
|     A registered design is a monopoly right for the outward appearance of
| an article or a set of articles of manufacture. It can last for a maximum
| of 25 years and is a property that, like any other business commodity, may
| be bought, sold, hired or licensed.  A registered design is additional to
| any design right or copyright protection that may exist automatically in
| the design.
|

this is usually called "patent" here
 
|   The application process is different, but the protection granted for a
|   design by registration can be similar to that granted for an invention in
|   a patent. Designs usually refer to type faces, not fonts, which is a more
|   abstract notion of the artistic work that went into the shape of the
|   glyph, and not just the technical details of the font format and hinting
|   information.
|
|   The corresponding German legal term is "Geschmacksmuster", and more
|   information on this legal protection form is available on
|
ok, I guess, "design" is not copyrightable/patentable here.

|     http://www.dpma.de/formulare/gsm.html
|     http://www.dpma.de/formulare/r5704.1.pdf
|
|   As the last URL says, type faces (fonts) can be protected for up
|   to 25 years in Germany as registered designs. The above URL also
|   list some relevant international treaties, such as the Vienna
|   Agreement of 1975-06-12 for the Protection of Type Faces and their
|   International Deposit.

BTW: do you have, by chance, list of fonts/typeface for which patents 
("designs") expired?
I was looking for it some time ago, with no success (as I am far away from 
Germany)
I guess these outlines can be taken, and hinted, and distributed in a *free* 
way. Of course, font names should be renamed, but it's an easytask :-)
So, it will be good solution, at least for Latin-alphabet based languages and 
W.European people

|
|   Markus

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