On Feb 12, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Yannick Duchêne <yannick_duch...@yahoo.fr> wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 11:24:05 -0700 > Warren Young <w...@etr-usa.com> wrote: > >> On Feb 12, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Boruch Baum <boruch_b...@gmx.com> wrote: >> Email has its problems, but there’s an awful lot of antispam infrastructure >> around it that would have to be recreated to allow fossil-scm.org (or >> sqlite.org) to self-host a web forum with equivalent protections. > > But the issue from a user point of view, is near the same: you receive a lot > of email on a mailing list
This list averages about 10 messages a day, and that’s including the occasional flame-fest, which you can entirely ignore if you like. That’s “a lot”? > while on a forum, you just follow some threads I see that you’re using Claws Mail. From its features page: "'Ignore thread’ option”, and "Watch marked threads”. Thunderbird and other mailers have such features, too. Those features aren’t universal, but simply having a thread-aware mailer makes ignoring unwanted threads straightforward. Just skip over threads whose title is uninteresting. The other key email management practice is filtering messages into per-list folders, so you can choose where in your day you wish to spend time looking at the mailing list for each particular project. Every mailing list manager includes at least one tag in the email to make such filtering easy. In this case, there are at least three such tags: Subject: [fossil-users]… To: fossil-users@… List-Id: Fossil SCM user's discussion… > opting-out means receiving nothing at all any‑more Mailers with thread-kill features still download all the list traffic. They just send it to the bit bucket or otherwise hide it. Once upon a time, people complained about the ISP costs associated with downloading unwanted email, but it’s lost in the noise in today’s typical IP traffic. > I'm not sure it's possible to send a mail to mailing list when one has > opted‑out It isn’t possible, on purpose. That’s one of the anti-spam features associated with email: you’re forced to identify yourself in a way that lets the list manager cut you off if you’re determined to be a spammer. Anonymity is the root of much evil. (Now, now, don’t get all civil libertarian on me. I’m down with anonymity in principle. It just isn’t appropriate for all…ahem, forums of discussion.) Do you propose that Fossil reinvent distributed identity management, SPF, RBL, etc. just to keep spam out of these hypothetical web forums? > Another alternative beside of forums, is news-groups. And there is a well > known web interface for that, which is Google Groups, and it does not require > self‑hosting. That’s an acceptable solution if your only problem is that the communications don’t happen in a web browser. It doesn’t solve: 1. Isn’t built into Fossil. (Which is what I thought the original complaint was above.) 2. Doesn’t allow anonymous posting. (Need a Google account or an account with another Usenet provider. And the last time I used Usenet, that identifier was an email address anyway!) 3. Doesn’t let you ignore threads. (Other Usenet clients do, but then it isn’t in a browser again, which I suspect is the real problem a lot of people have with mailing lists.) 4. Isn’t the cool new spiffy, like the guy a week or so ago who wanted Fossil to move discussions to Telegram because shiny. _______________________________________________ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
