On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:06 PM, Guilherme de Siqueira Pastore < gpast...@gnome.org> wrote:
> On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 05:37:52PM +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: > > The IRCD ran by the GIMPNET team has all the configuration files pointing > > to their specific subdomains, that obviously won't change by just moving > > the CNAME to an A record. But that's actually expected since we don't run > > an IRCD server "in house" on the GNOME Infrastructure. (and that could be > > the only way for 'Your host is $hostname' to match with irc.gnome.org) > > There actually are some ircd implementations providing a feature of virtual > hosts. Although debatable in many aspects, it could allow anyone connecting > to any GIMPNet server to be shown, to themselves and others, as connected > to > irc.gnome.org, as long as that was the server informed in the USER > command. > > I do not believe that the ircd behind GIMPNet has this feature, though. > > > I'm not sure if the GIMPNET team will agree to fix their MOTD et all to > > show the user connected to irc.gnome.org successfully for one main > reason: > > GIMPNET is not only the GNOME IRC Network, but it currently serves many > > other irc channels not strictly GNOME-related. > > The MOTD has no mention to *gimp*, if you take a closer look. Neither do > the > server names, as a matter of fact. People are still connected to "GIMPNet", > however, as the network identifier. > > Anyway, that was exactly the point of my last e-mail. > > I was simply trying to argue that it is sure possible to switch from a > CNAME > to an A DNS record. This is a technicality with little practical effect (as > long as GNOME keeps track of any changes in servers and their IP > addresses). > We can also direct people to irc.gnome.org instead of irc.gimp.org, which > may > be good in terms of public relations, but I think that is already the case. > > But doing all that will not change the fact that they will still see > themselves connected to GIMPNet - which is a problem well outside the scope > of DNS changes. > > To be honest, I am not even convinced there is indeed a problem, or at > least > one we can solve (particularly while The GIMP continues to be an important > piece of any free desktop and continues to be called The GIMP). > As a native English speaker I can verify that the term it is indeed a problem. The GIMP, however, is widely used by people I know who don't even know what Free Software is. Changing its name could have pretty negative consequences for their project I would imagine (due to reduced name recognition), even though the acronym is unfortunate and offensive. Meg Ford > > I was just pointing out that, although the proposed change can be put into > effect without much further consideration, the original issue remains an > issue. > > > > 2013/5/9 Guilherme de Siqueira Pastore <gpast...@gnome.org> > > > > > On Thu, May 09, 2013 at 01:43:45PM +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: > > > > The current DNS entry is setup as a CNAME, that means connecting to > > > > irc.gnome.org will redirect your client to irc.gimp.org. The idea > here > > > is > > > > to switch the DNS entry for irc.gnome.org to be an A record > pointing to > > > the > > > > irc.gimp.org's IP and listing the new entry (irc.gnome.org) as the > > > official > > > > place contributors should connect to. > > > > > > > > That said, any of the irc.*.gimp.* entries will remain as it is > (really > > > > there's no need to update / delete the relevant entry for the solely > > > reason > > > > that GIMPNET doesn't host only GNOME channels, we can't define > GIMPNET as > > > > the *Official* GNOME network as of now), what will change is how the > DNS > > > > record for the irc.gnome.org subdomain will look like, from a CNAME > > > (plain > > > > DNS redirect) to an A record. > > > > > > Then, with all due respect, I am not sure the proposed solution > > > sufficiently > > > addresses the initial concern (or which I was also originally not > aware, > > > not > > > being a native speaker of English myself). > > > > > > IRC servers provide the server name in the 004 message upon connection > and > > > in > > > the 351 reply to the VERSION command. They also (commonly) inform the > > > network > > > name in the de facto standard 005 numeric. > > > > > > That is the case for GIMPNet. Please note that, in the (stripped) > > > transcript > > > below, I specifically informed the server that I was trying to connect > to > > > irc.gnome.org (third argument to the USER command): > > > > > > gpastore@neodymium:~$ telnet irc.gnome.org 6667 > > > Trying 82.99.16.155... > > > Connected to irc.gimp.org. > > > Escape character is '^]'. > > > NICK fatalerror > > > USER gpastore neodymium.pastore.eng.br irc.gnome.org :Guilherme > Pastore > > > :irc.eagle.y.se 001 fatalerror :Welcome to the Internet Relay Network > > > fatalerror > > > :irc.eagle.y.se 002 fatalerror :Your host is irc.eagle.y.se[ > > > irc.eagle.y.se/6667], running version 2.8/gimpnet-0.1beta3 > > > :irc.eagle.y.se 004 fatalerror irc.eagle.y.se 2.8/gimpnet-0.1beta3 > > > oOiwszcrkfydnxb biklmnopstve > > > :irc.eagle.y.se 005 fatalerror WALLCHOPS PREFIX=(ov)@+ CHANTYPES=#& > > > MAXCHANNELS=20 MAXBANS=50 NICKLEN=39 TOPICLEN=500 KICKLEN=90 > > > NETWORK=GIMPNet CHANMODES=be,k,l,imnpst EXCEPTS MODES=4 :are supported > by > > > this server > > > VERSION > > > :irc.eagle.y.se 351 fatalerror 2.8/gimpnet-0.1beta3(20020217_2). > > > irc.eagle.y.se :ACeGHiMpZ TS5ow > > > :irc.eagle.y.se 005 fatalerror WALLCHOPS PREFIX=(ov)@+ CHANTYPES=#& > > > MAXCHANNELS=20 MAXBANS=50 NICKLEN=39 TOPICLEN=500 KICKLEN=90 > > > NETWORK=GIMPNet CHANMODES=be,k,l,imnpst EXCEPTS MODES=4 :are supported > by > > > this server > > > > > > This is what all IRC clients I know will show and, as a consequence, > what > > > the > > > user will see: GIMPNet - irc.eagle.y.se, as informed by the server, > and > > > not > > > irc.gnome.org, solely because it is an A instead of CNAME DNS record. > > > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Guilherme > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > > > Andrea > > > > Debian Developer, > > Fedora / EPEL packager, > > GNOME Sysadmin, > > GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman > > > > Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list >
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