Hi Philip, On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:02 AM, Philip Van Hoof <pvanh...@gnome.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-05-10 at 08:55 -0500, meg ford wrote: > > Hi Meg, > > > > > > In general when people use the term "PC" in the US, they are talking > > about being adopting extra careful/ newly coined language. That's not > > what I'm saying. You wouldn't use the term gimp when talking to > > someone unless you wanted to indicate that you hate them or had were > > trying to start a fight. There isn't anything pc about not using such > > a term. You would only use it if you were specifically trying to > > offend someone. Just to clarify, are you saying that it's pc to say we > > shouldn't use derogatory epithets, or are you disagreeing with my > > assessment of the word? > > Note that I didn't say irc.gnome.org is a bad idea. Removing Gimpnet is > a bad idea (I don't think that real gimps join Gimpnet to be a jerk on > the IRC server, if that's truly the case then a solution for that would > be to either ban those people or to lock their discussions in a IRC > channel on that server). > The common meaning of the term is a derogatory term for physically disabled people. Your comment above makes no sense. > > > > I'm saying that it's an I18n issue. I recently read that the GNOME > > foot is insulting in Thailand so we are trying not to use it there. We > > aren't getting rid of it entirely because it's specifically offensive > > there, but not everywhere. I would guess that gimp isn't offensive in > > languages other than English since we are only hearing about this from > > English speakers. In the case of the GIMP I can see why they a name > > change would be really problematic and potentially harm the project. > > In the case of GNOME irc I think don't see that there is an issue > > wrt making the change. However, maybe that's because I speak English. > > But since English is the official language of the project, so maybe > > it's important to consider making a change. What do you think? > > I think GNOME should introduce irc.gnome.org and alter the IRC server's > MOTD but shouldn't remove the irc.gimpnet.org domain. I'm not certain > that this should be done because of derogative terms like the word gimp, > but rather because GNOME is GNOME, not GIMP, and it's misleading to have > to connect to irc.gimpnet.org to talk to GNOME developers. > > I honestly think the name is crass, but I didn't introduce this idea so I will let Sri defend it from here on. Meg > Kind regards, > > Philip > > > > > > > > > The proposal is to make irc.gnome.org be an DNS A > > record and > > > we will > > > > continue to honor irc.gimpnet.org as a CNAME for > > one year in > > > which > > > > case we will then remove it altogether. > > > > > > > > > Gimpnet is cultural inheritance of GNOME, I think > > it's a bad > > > idea to do > > > this for that reason. > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Philip > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Philip Van Hoof > > > Software developer > > > Codeminded BVBA - http://codeminded.be > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-list mailing list > > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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