Hi,

At this stage, I regretfully have urge anyone who would preference lashing
out on twitter with their frustrations about the existence of this thread,
to consider engaging in a reasoned way on this dedicated thread about their
concerns. Whist throwing bigotry at me may seem like the easiest way to end
this discussion without fuss, it is not so.

I tried to view a page on Facebook, which is a posting about a
> political issue.  I used wget as usual, and all I got was something
> telling me to log in first.
>
> Meanwhile, you reported
>
>   > It seems can actually technically view the page without being logged in
>   > which is a good thing, but it seems that this is only possible when the
>   > offending javascript is not being blocked.
>
> which is consistent with what I observed.


Thanks for confirming.


> I think the proper rule is that a link to a page on Facebook is ok
> provided it can be viewed without running nonfree JS code and without
> logging in.


> Indeed, I would suggest that as the basic condition for acceptable
> links to any site.  If the purpose of the link is to suggest people
> look at the contents of the page, then the link is ok provided people
> can see the contents without identifying themselves and without
> running nonfree software.
>

This makes perfect sense to me. At the moment I am not totally convinced
that the rest of the community are on board with what you have said though.
It is not clear whether or not people understand the nuances of how you are
defining things or whether there may even be so fundamental
"political"/"ethical" differences of agreement (or some mix of both). It
would be useful to have some more clarity on that so we all know whether
any of this is actionable at this stage, I think.

In the special cases where the purpose of the link is something else
> (such as to donate), then it needs to be judged according to that
> purpose.


One reason I suggested we change the subject onto links in general is
because I had not expected you to be so willing to concede it would be
possible to find a compromise about builder. I am delighted you have been
able to prove me wrong about that. I have found a simple way to publish an
indiGoGo for builder on the GNOME website as an iframe. I am not sure if
that is what they want but I sent some code so that it could be added to
the wordpress. indiGoGo don't seem to have an API on offer so the total can
be queried and updated on a banner easily another method so I am hoping
this way would be just as well.[1] What do you think?

Magdalen

[1]
https://support.indiegogo.com/hc/en-us/articles/527366-How-to-Add-a-Widget-to-your-Blog
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