The $360-per-year FrameMaker subscription includes upgrades, so that's significantly cheaper than Flare.
On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> wrote: > Comparing Flare and standalone FrameMaker, HTML output is more customizable > and it's probably a better single-sourcing tool, except as regards PDF > targets. > > Comparing Flare and FrameMaker plus RoboHelp or WebWorks ePublisher Pro, > hard to say. I'd probably take unstructured FrameMaker and WebWorks over > Flare if I had to choose. > > The learning curve for FrameMaker is plenty steep if you've never used it > before. > > Flare is $1648 with a year of email support and upgrades. You can add a year > of support and upgrades for $400 or two years for $325 each. If you let your > support expire, upgrades are $799, which I believe includes a year of > support and upgrades. > > FrameMaker is $999 perpetual or $360 a year for a subscription that includes > upgrades. Are upgrades included in the subscription price or do you have to > pay for them? > > A FrameMaker perpetual license seems like a bad deal since Adobe now > supports only the current version. In the long run, it would be cheaper to > subscribe. > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Shmuel Wolfson <shmue...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> It seems that the benefits of Flare over Frame are: >> - More customizable/better HTML output >> - Better support >> - Better single sourcing than unstructured Frame >> - They don't charge an arm and a leg to pay for upgrades >> >> The benefits of Frame over Flare are: >> - Better PDFs >> - Less of learning curve for unstructured Frame, and possibly for >> structured Frame >> >> I don't believe that Adobe has abandoned Frame, but they do charge an >> insane amount for upgrades and the support is not so great, which is similar >> to abandoning their users. Having said that, since I mainly produce PDFs, I >> have no plans on switching to Flare any time soon. >> >> -- >> Shmuel Wolfson >> Technical Writer >> 058-763-7133 >> >> >> On 27-Jun-18 7:59 AM, Alan Litchfield wrote: >>> >>> I don't think the issue in this conversation is about Adobe abandoning >>> FM, but that the corporate model Adobe chooses to use has effectively driven >>> a lot of us old timers out the door, into the arms of its competitors. Yes, >>> there have been a bunch of new features and added support for functions that >>> required external plug-in support previously, but the interface is actually >>> quite hard for me to navigate now, especially now that so many keyboard >>> commands have disappeared or changed. >>> >>> For me, my last favourite version was 7.2 on the Mac (which I still have >>> running by the way, on a G5 tower). Sure it lacked all the fancy mod-cons of >>> later versions but I could run that application for months at a time >>> (without shutting down the computer or program) without issue. Can't say the >>> same for the current version, I'm afraid. And as I said earlier, part of the >>> reason was being locked out of the application due to licensing problems. >>> >>> Version 5.5.2 on Linux was fun while it lasted. Of course, one does miss >>> the hominess of Frame Corp, but that was a long time ago now. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> -- >>> Dr Alan Litchfield >>> AlphaByte >>> PO Box 1941 >>> Auckland, New Zealand 1140 >>> >>> On 27/06/18 13:42, ideasli...@ideastraining.com wrote: >>>> >>>> I've been hearing rumors of Adobe's abandonment of Frame for years, if >>>> not >>>> decades. The timing of these rumors is almost as regular as an atomic >>>> clock... >>>> >>>> Abandonment hasn't happened yet. Oddly, I find the rumors tend to peak >>>> before Adobe announces a new version. This list, or any public list, is >>>> not >>>> a good way to make a decision about FrameMaker. Those that know can't >>>> say; >>>> those that say usually don't know. >>>> >>>> David Creamer >>>> IDEAS Training >>>> ______________________ >>>> All of these posts regarding Adobe's poor support/abandonment of FM are >>>> one >>>> of the reasons why my company decided to focus on another tool and >>>> migrate >>>> away from FM. All of the technical publications staff (including me) >>>> are >>>> now using Madcap Flare and we have just completed a 2 year migration of >>>> all >>>> FM documents into Flare. It was a bit sad to say goodbye to FM, but >>>> the >>>> handwriting was on the wall. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> This message is from the Framers mailing list >>>> >>>> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >>>> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >>>> Archives located at >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >>>> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >>>> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >>>> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> This message is from the Framers mailing list >>> >>> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >>> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >>> Archives located at >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >>> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >>> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >>> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > _______________________________________________ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com