| Hi Fred, why doubt the label? Well as you know films are often mislabeled by someone other than the artist. But it was more a question of insight - why HF would shoot at 16 or 18fps knowing he was going to project it at 24fps. It’s an interesting question and this seems like the best place to find someone who might know.
Scott Sent from my iPad
I didn't reply earlier because I have no actual information, but
why should we doubt the 24fps on the Coop can? My instinct from
having seen this film and related ones a few times is that
Frampton would not have planned any part of Magellan for
anything other than 24 fps.
If someone comes up with actual evidence, please post.
Fred Camper
Chicago
On 9/4/2026 1:10 PM, m b wrote:
Maybe bill brand would know?
Thanks
for the suggestion Dave. After catching a recent wonderful
show of films by Nathaniel Dorsky at ‘sacred’ speed I’m
inclined to show it at 18fps.
Best,
Scott
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> On Sep 2, 2026, at 9:11 PM, Dave Tetzlaff <[email protected]>
wrote:
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>
> I have no knowledge re: that particular film, but IIRC
Frampton made at least one orher silent film I've seen shot
at 'silent speed', and apparently intended to be projected
at that speed, but it might have been 16fps. I don't
remember what film though, and it might not even have been
Frampton... My (limited, in truth) experience with work from
that era is that you can only guarantee 24fps is the
intended speed if It has an optical track, or the maker left
explicit instructions.
>
> However, one thing that characterizes the exhibition of
16mm prints is a high degree of variability and even
randomness. The environments of screening spaces vary
dramatically, as do the conditions of prints, and, honestly
the conditions of projectors. Each projection is a unique
specific 'text', involving choices by the projectionist. My
suggestion: embrace that. If you have a two speed projector
- like an old Pageant maybe - preview it at both speeds and
choose whichever you think makes the piece more interesting.
Which might depend on those other variables...
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