This is a thoughtful and “adult” response, Scott. May I remind us that students 
and faculty at Calarts began swimming nude together the first day of class (if 
not before, during registration) when the school opened in the fall of 1970 at 
the temporary campus, Villa Cabrini in Burbank, and that “tradition” continued 
for many years at the permanent campus in Valencia. Naked together every day 
for years. l don’t trust anyone who thinks that’s outrageous. 

In the interest of social control we’re supposed to think that the sixties were 
“about” war and protest and assassinations, with sex, drugs and rock-and-roll 
as colorful background, nothing more. In my memoir-in-progress I argue that the 
countercultural moment was also, and more importantly, about cultural autonomy. 
Who is and is not “adult,” what is and is not “outrageous,” are functions of 
cultural autonomy, or lack of it, in our socialization. It begs the immemorial 
question, more relevant today than ever, who gets to control the social 
construction of realities at politically relevant scale? 








> On Jan 2, 2016, at 6:19 AM, <sc...@financialcleansing.com> 
> <sc...@financialcleansing.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Chuck et al,
> 
> The late-Sixties-early-Seventies were (of course) an unusual and complex 
> moment. From our perspective now, some of what went on back then (at 
> Binghamton and in other places--think of the legendary nude faculty-student 
> get-together at the San Francisco Art Institute!) can seem outrageous--and 
> perhaps to some extent was outrageous, as certain "Voices" in the "Weave" of 
> Binghamton Babylon make evident.
> 
> But it is also true that that generation of students certainly saw themselves 
> as adults and expected to be taken seriously as adults. As various other 
> "Voices" make clear, this included the expectation that they were equals 
> sexually as well as politically. Even Nixon understood that if 18-and 19-year 
> old young men were expected to put their lives in jeopardy in Vietnam--or put 
> their freedom in jeopardy by refusing to serve in the military--then, 
> 18-19-20-year olds should be able to drink a beer, and by extension function 
> as full and equal adults in other ways as well.
> 
> The assumption that the men and women in the Cinema Department were adults, 
> equal to their teachers as human beings (if not yet as accomplished 
> intellectuals or artists), seems fully a part of the energy of that 
> department at that moment and part of what allowed the Cinema Department to 
> have powerful long-range effects.
> 
> Only one person refused to be interviewed for Binghamton Babylon. I was 
> unable to track down a number of other folks whose input I had hoped for.
> 
> Scott 
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Noteworthy Publications This Year?
> From: Chuck Kleinhans <chuck...@northwestern.edu 
> <mailto:chuck...@northwestern.edu>>
> Date: Wed, December 30, 2015 12:41 pm
> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com 
> <mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com>>
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 6:15 PM, David Baker <dbak...@hvc.rr.com 
> <mailto:dbak...@hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Scott MacDonald's revelatory, 
>> BINGHAMTON BABYLON: VOICES FROM THE CINEMA DEPARTMENT 1967-1977
>> 
> 
> Among the “revelations” are many references to (male) faculty having sexual 
> encounters with (usually female) students, and other hanky-panky, in addition 
> to drug and alcohol use/abuse.  It seems to me this is the first real 
> discussion of these sorts of events in the experimental film world. (well, 
> historians have sometimes touched on this for the distant past, but most of 
> the people here are still around).  
> 
> I wonder how both people of that generation and the Millennial generation 
> take these details.  A hidden history? More of the same-old, same-old?  
> Really dangerous under Title IX today (US law giving women equal access to 
> education)?
> 
> MacDonald mentions that a fair number of people did not want to be 
> interviewed, and there are very few women who are quoted.  Reluctant to drag 
> up old baggage?
> 
> It’s interesting that for all the “taboo breaking” poses of the avant garde, 
> sexual politics of personal relations  within the community are seldom 
> discussed (with an exception for some gay filmmakers).
> 
> 
> Chuck Kleinhans
> 
> 
> 
> 
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