Wojciech Puchar wrote: >> Hey folks, all of you, could I please sugggest that this entire thread >> (under a >> variety of subject names) is an abuse of the lists? > > Generally i do agree with you. But - in my opinion there are lots of > other abuses. Whenever i pointed this out i got tons of protests from > others. > > So please - who should decide what's on and whats off topic?
Wojciech, you want to respect POLA: the principle of least astonishment. It's not often applied to things like mailing lists, but folks exepct to see tech support on FreeBSD-Questions, and things like FreeBSD-boosterisms and flamewars on FreeBSD-chat, where they really are within the list rules. Expecting any possible solution to work 100% of the time (especially anything dealing with humans) is a very unfair tactic in trying to justify any view. What you want to look for is a solution that causes the least problems, and respecting the list rules does that. It won't fix all problems, but it does keep the noise level on our lists to a minimum, and maximizes the amount of help that can be passed on our lists. So, don't use the fact that you can point out single failures as a justification to enable people to act like list juveniles. I can' be the only person who likes the FreeBSD lists because they have such a far lower noise level than any Linux list, and we really do want to keep things that way. Respecting POLA is a fine way to go after that goal. I replied to this on FreeBSD-chat. Would really be appreciated if you could leave it there, and if anyone then complains, I'll help you myself in keeping the topic up, because it's a reasonable, allowed thing on FreeBSD-chat. > > For me - if talks about programs just because it runs under FreeBSD is > OK, then everything is OK. About politics, sport, choosing printservers. > > Why telling someone that want to "switch" from windows to FreeBSD that > better stay with windows is wrong? It's my opinion and my way to help > him/her to save time. And it's proved, over hundred people i know that > ever tried to "switch" to linux or FreeBSD, got back to windows within > short time. > > Of course - switching the way of using computer from windows-style to > unix-style is another thing, is very welcome and is likely to succeed. > > The argument "it's nothing wrong to help others" is a nonsense too. Yes > - help, but about FreeBSD, or on other list, or on priv. > > Or maybe democratic method - when more and louder shouts it's right - > it's right?! > > Doesn't you see a nonsense?! > > Once again - please DO MODERATED list, with clearly defined rules what's > right and what's not. Whatever the rules will be (approved/defined by > FreeBSD owners) - it will be OK. > > About stats i had to do - i AM working on this, but i was not aware how > much work it needs. I'm reading mails from february each year, and now > "processed" four years only. > > So sorry for not doing it for today morning, but i wasn't aware it's too > short time. > > > Another question - some of you said that "outdated" hardware is welcome > too as gifts for FreeBSD team. > > I actually have lots of them, and NON-typical things, that would be > useful. I prepared a list, and can make photos. > > I already sent a mail to one developer but got no response. Maybe he is > just busy or absent, anyway what's the best address for this. _______________________________________________ freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"