> Am 2024-01-10 22:49, schrieb Mark Millard:
> 
> > I never use atime, always noatime, for UFS. That said, I'd never 
> > propose
> > changing the long standing defaults for commands and calls. I'd avoid:
> 
> [good points I fully agree on]
> 
> There's one possibility which nobody talked about yet... changing the 
> default to noatime at install time in fstab / zfs set.

Perhaps you should take a closer look at what bsdinstall does
when it creates a zfs install pool and boot environment, you
might just find that noatime is already set everywhere but
on /var/mail:

/usr/libexec/bsdinstall/zfsboot:: ${ZFSBOOT_POOL_CREATE_OPTIONS:=-O 
compress=lz4 -O atime=off}
/usr/libexec/bsdinstall/zfsboot:        /var/mail       atime=on

> 
> I fully agree to not violate POLA by changing the default to noatime in 
> any FS. I always set noatime everywhere on systems I take care about, no 
> exceptions (any user visible mail is handled via maildir/IMAP, not 
> mbox). I haven't made up my mind if it would be a good idea to change 
> bsdinstall to set noatime (after asking the user about it, and later 
> maybe offer  the possibility to use relatime in case it gets 
> implemented). I think it is at least worthwile to discuss this 
> possibility (including what the default setting of bsdinstall should be 
> for this option).

Little late... iirc its been that way since day one of zfs support
in bsdinstall.

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