-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Just adding my 2 cents regarding heavy applications.
I personally think that we shouldn't shy away from integrating heavy applications into FreedomBox, especially if they are really popular. Popularity can be an important factor sometimes. A user who already knows how to use MediaWiki or Wordpress would like to have them on their self-hosted home server instead of a light-weight solution that they have to learn how to use all over again. It might not be a bad idea to have GitLab on FreedomBox if we clearly indicate that its system requirements are higher. It is justified to have heavy applications for community deployments of FreedomBox, like in university campuses and other organizations. I recently had a conversation with some members of a co-op thinking of using FreedomBox for its communication and collaboration tools. A popular application like GitLab in this case helps with easy adoption. We can always have lighter alternatives (like Gitea in this case) intended to be run on SBCs. There can be a warning on the heavier applications that they are not suitable to run on SBCs. The other use cases, as Jonas mentioned (and coined new names) are 1) a cluster of FreedomBoxes with each running one heavy application and 2) a high config server machine running several FreedomBox applications (or something in between). Some recent developments like ActivityPub and Secure Scuttlebutt seem promising as they don't require all users to be registered on the same machine. FreedomBox as a server to run P2P applications and Federated applications might be the norm in the future. Examples: Zeronet instance on FreedomBox accessible from multiple devices, Scuttlebutt based social network with FreedomBox as the hub, hosting federated applications like Mastodon, PeerTube etc. Elena ``of Valhalla'' Grandi <[email protected]> wrote: > On 2018-07-10 at 16:08:39 +0200, [email protected] wrote: > > Yes, I think It's important to maintain freedom box usable from a low > > CPU machine, but I think that for reach our goal It's necessary to use > > more powerful machines too. > > I don't think that having a powerful server in each home is a > sustainable target: they waste resources in providing services > that, for a limited number of users, can be provided by much > less resource intensitive hardware. > > A freedombox that can run on a computer that costs tens of > eurollars, can be powered by a small solar panel and is easy to > stuff on a shelf even in a <25 m² apartment is useful to way > more people than one that requires a full-sized computer that > costs hundred of eurollars, needs to be connected to the power > grid (or to a full-sized off-grid power generator) and either > requires its own room or will cause sleep distruptions with its > noise. > > the former can't always run the same *programs* as the latter, > but in most cases it's going to be able to provide the same > *services* with comparable quality. > > > It's necessary that decentralized services are fast and efficient, > > something that a low pc machine can't always grant. > > I would be wary to call platforms like gitlab and redmine > “decentralized”: yes, they can be self-hosted, but they are > still big platforms that are designed to be hosted centrally by > some organization and most of their interesting¹ features only > work when all of the user involved have an account on the > specific instance. > > Installing them on a personal/household server that doesn't > allow 3rd party registration of users would have pretty limited > usefulness compared to lighter alternatives. > > github/gitlab style collaboration in a true decentralized way > is AFAIK still not a solved problem, but I've seen some effort > to integrate git hosting with some decentralized social > platforms to allow functionalities like pull requests etc. > between different instances. > > ¹ as opposed to the ones for which there are lots of lightweight > alternatives, such as git hosting, pages, and even CI. > > _______________________________________________ > Freedombox-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss - -- - -- Regards Joseph Nuthalapati -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE4rQIdbX3Xc6j+BCYU5jwCi+kPDUFAltIepoACgkQU5jwCi+k PDUr1BAAgIHREuBMBudVw5Asg8Xciad4BLHbf45uw88hYfStZcRQZoaGk3DE7dUR wcr+JygOWau+Y1Pz/CKgqGHcvbGUk96VyjYaTMBsVSjontK+mCgeG2GjA7ipoknf FGR7ASJhJnegKikU5hiHg9kCzMC9wjeekLA5Yz8Hk1iLqdmXXCrb7/F7miL3T0Tp /w+uzDD42tICWfHkhLFxn0xvuXtc4GS0iQBdyRn6fpfsAJ3PQ6n0AUcKZrdA+Xfm BfyrqYcSwzmaauylaZowk67fbwSd5mLD1j1Pwh8gbV2n6iACG4HHDdPepFdUMQFY Lg9sDbYvriq/2e2Qra0Ej1/ZVMTz0L5A5O22NDTY8iQ0kXGovG3NkNsAmdGyxvGb eRZmoG+aAR3ai2NJ9nEp3QQlifiyPnw7UAMGl0pUMwRUMPqxHOZmUmRakffbv0Vr Es/K4adJwAGP4N7PKqXW/fg2ZyZwG5M7XWnTc6cBlTznOEJqZpEhe2L+6LvviRos SXsQ6SzjPuTccZtpWSb6DoIwRk6x9f7B8MeOoN7Jvjuz15U+OyTPdiDpxVtS7Np3 SGlyXu1OfgUfap1+g/z2oMC6cdPy6l9G8bN7s8WURAJw2/xSF/h8cTvAxN7KOU+z h8jARRFhggzfPpQtd2SM1PLNiCE3vlT4yiAMrxxoZCZgJxy/6b8= =taNF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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