Great idea. I like minimalism. However, I don't think networking drivers are up to snuff to completely automate the process.
On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 1:46 PM Chelson a <chelson.aitche...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Why not have a simple floppy that can install the system via internet > connection? > > Base cd, extras cd and boot disk with internet install? > > > > On Sun, 8 Nov 2020 at 05:37, Mark Olesen <markjole...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Why not have a minimal install iso. Then have separate additions iso >> for each category? Could the install handle that? >> >> On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 2:39 PM Jim Hall <jh...@freedos.org> wrote: >> > >> > Some of us had this conversation a while back and I wanted to bring it up >> > again on the list. >> > >> > MS-DOS was a small operating system. MS_DOS 5 and 6 fit on a few 1.44MB >> > floppy disks. >> > >> > We always intended FreeDOS to not just replace but enhance DOS. FreeDOS is >> > "MS-DOS plus more." To make clear what's part of the "core" of FreeDOS, we >> > have the "Base" package group. These packages replicate the behavior and >> > functionality of MS-DOS. But we also have a lot of other packages that add >> > new functionality to FreeDOS, and we put these programs in other package >> > groups like "Editors" (additional editors) and "Devel" (compilers, >> > assemblers, and other development tools). >> > >> > Over time, FreeDOS has grown to include lots of interesting programs. The >> > FreeDOS 1.2 and 1.3RCx distributions are very big. >> > >> > As we look to the next FreeDOS 1.3 Release Candidate, I think we should >> > consider removing some packages from the FreeDOS distribution. >> > >> > To be clear: I am not suggesting deleting packages or programs from the >> > FreeDOS archive at ibiblio. There's lots of useful and interesting >> > programs there. But I don't think we need to include everything in the >> > FreeDOS distribution. >> > >> > Here are my thoughts from the FreeDOS 1.3 package list (wiki) >> > >> > Base >> > Keep everything >> > >> > Archivers >> > Do we really need all of those archivers? For example, who needs Zoo these >> > days? My suggestions: >> > 1. Move bz2, gzip, and tar to the "Unix" group - these are replicas of >> > Unix tools >> > 2. Keep zip, unzip, p7zip >> > 3. Remove the other packages: 7zdec, arj, cabext, lpq1, lzip, lzma, lzop, >> > zoo >> > >> > *Note that p7zip can unpack a ton of other file formats, so we don't need >> > these other archivers anyway. >> > >> > Boot Tools >> > *I don't have any strong feelings here. What are your thoughts? >> > >> > Development >> > Can we pare down the list a bit? We have a lot of packages here, but I >> > don't think we need them all. For example, we should include the tools we >> > know we'll need to compile the different FreeDOS utilities. I'd also like >> > to keep the GCC related packages, and other packages that remain popular. >> > My suggestions: >> > 1. Move perl to the "Unix" group >> > 2. Keep BWBasic, the DJGPP packages, FASM, the FBC packages (FreeBASIC >> > Compiler) fpc (FreePascal compiler), the GCC-IA16 packages, JWASM, NASM, >> > OW (OpenWatcom C Compiler), and UPX >> > 3. Remove bcc (Bruce's C Compiler), euphoria, insight, lua, regina, runtime >> > >> > *I think I missed some packages in that list. I don't have a good opinion >> > on those. What do you think? >> > >> > Editors >> > Not sure about these. I know there are a few here I'd like to keep: >> > Blocek, Elvis, FED, Freemacs, MSEDIT, pico, Vim >> > >> > *I don't have a good opinion on the other editors in the list. Which ones >> > do you think need to stay? >> > >> > Emulators >> > I don't think that these are useful to include in the full distribution. >> > These all fall in the general category of "games," anyway. I'd recommend >> > we eliminate the entire "Emulators" package group. >> > >> > Games >> > I generally feel that we can add and remove games in the FreeDOS >> > distribution on a whim. If a game is interesting and open source, we can >> > include it. When a game stops being interesting, or doesn't interest a lot >> > of people, we can remove it. >> > >> > *I really enjoy Wing and a few others. I don't have strong opinions on the >> > other games. What are your thoughts? >> > >> > Graphical Desktop >> > We added GUIs a long time ago when people were still doing active >> > development on OpenGEM, oZone, and Seal. If you've been part of the >> > discussion for a long time, you also remember we included a few other >> > graphical menus and things that have since fallen out of the distribution. >> > I think it's time to look at these GUIs too. My recommendations: >> > 1. PC-GEOS was released as open source software. I haven't followed it, >> > but last I checked, they weren't able to compile it (missing libraries, I >> > think - requires some rewrites?) If they can get this to compile, I think >> > we can include it. If they still can't compile it, then do not include it. >> > 2. Remove SEAL and oZone. These haven't been worked on for a long time, >> > and they are still incomplete >> > 3. Keep OpenGEM. It's not under active development, but it's currently >> > pretty solid, if plain looking >> > >> > Networking >> > I don't run FreeDOS with a network, so I don't have any opinions on these >> > packages. What do you think? >> > >> > Sound >> > I know OpenCP and MPlayer both work fine, because I demo'd them in a >> > YouTube video. I don't have any opinions otherwise. >> > >> > Unix >> > The wiki page lists a few packages to remove based on duplicates or >> > license concerns. >> > 1. Move bz2, gzip, and tar from "Archivers" to "Unix" >> > 2. Move perl from "Devel" to "Unix" >> > >> > Utilities >> > We have a mix of things in this package group. I think some of these were >> > interesting long ago, but probably aren't used anymore and can be deleted. >> > My recommendations: >> > 1. Keep aefdisk, ansimat, bootfix, callver, cdrcache, cdrom2ui clamav + >> > clamdb, cpied, cwsdpmi, dialog, dn2, dog, dos32a, dosutil, doszip + dzemm, >> > fdimples + fdisrc, fdnpkg, fdshield, fdtui, foxcalc, foxtype, gcdrom, >> > gnuchcp + gnufonts, hexcomp, localize, lptdrv, memteste, ntfs, pcisleep, >> > pdtree, pg, rcal, rdisk, search, setlock, shareext, shsufdrv, slowdown, >> > spool, srdisk, stamp, switchar, udvd2, uhdd, uide, unrtf, usbdos, >> > utf8tocp, V8power, wcd, wde, xdel, xfdisk, xkeyb, xmgr >> > 2. Remove b64, blwcbc, bmp2png, bsum, daa2iso, edict, fdshell, finddisk, >> > flashrom, gifsicle, hip, hiram, pgme, pngcrush, sqlite, terminal, topspin, >> > wptail, zdir, zerofill >> > >> > *We have both doslfn and lfndos, but do we need both? Is one better (more >> > complete) than the other? >> > **If I missed any of Jack's utilities, that's an oversight from me. I >> > would want to keep them. >> > ***I skipped some packages in that list. I don't have a good opinion on >> > those. What do you think? >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Freedos-devel mailing list >> > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Freedos-devel mailing list >> Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel > > _______________________________________________ > Freedos-devel mailing list > Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel _______________________________________________ Freedos-devel mailing list Freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-devel
