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First, a short note to Dave, Mercury and Random: You can safely ignore the mails with "[OT]" in the subject, as the thread has been forked to keep faith and BIOS separate topics. Thanks :-) https://www.discovery.org/m/2020/04/Scientific-Dissent-from-Darwinism-List-04072020.pdf> "The Discovery Institute (DI) is a politically conservative non-profit think tank based in Seattle, Washington, that advocates the pseudoscientific concept of intelligent design (ID). It was founded in 1990 as a non-profit offshoot of the Hudson Institute. Its "Teach the Controversy" campaign aims to permit the teaching of anti-evolution, intelligent-design beliefs in United States public high school science courses in place of accepted scientific theories, positing that a scientific contro- versy exists over these subjects when in fact there is none" That perfectly matches the statement in Felix' signature. "The Hudson Institute is a politically conservative[8] American think tank based in Washington, D.C. It was founded in 1961 in Croton-on-Hudson, New York, by futurist, military strategist, and systems theorist Herman Kahn and his colleagues at the RAND Corporation." "Critics question the institute's negative campaigning against organic farming, since it receives large sums of money from conventional food companies." "The New York Times accused Huntington Ingalls Industries of using the Hudson Institute to enhance the company's argument for more nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, at a cost of US$11 billion each. The Times alleged that a former naval officer was paid by Hudson to publish an analysis calling for more funding." Sounds a bit like a place where people can buy their own truth, while as far as I know, nobody makes profit from the promotion of evolution as state of the art in origin of species science. Sure it gets harder to measure things as they get more far away in space and time. Yet evolution is also happening in regions where it is easier to observe and humans have become quite good at extracting good quality measurements from hard to get sources. There actually is a philosophically interesting Futurama episode about evolution and intelligent design, related to the idea that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. So you could still say the evolution that we SEE behaves like what we teach about evolution without excluding the chance that it STARTED in some magic or divine way. However, intelligent design is a much weaker claim than "evolution is just something people believe". The latter would also imply that evolution is not happening at all. You know, the usual "static" approach of "Species always were what they are now, there is no change over time in them and they all have been invented by a deity" etc. https://theinfosphere.org/A_Clockwork_Origin https://transcripts.fandom.com/wiki/A_Clockwork_Origin > Galileo, Bacon, Pascal, Newton, > Kepler, Leibniz and more were Christians. How is that related to the question whether evolution exists? Humans can know a lot - including that evolution DOES exist - while still being free to decide whether or not they believe into a non-observable divine cause of anything the can or can not measure. So saying "there is evolution going on" is really based on observation, not "indoctrination". It does not, however, necessarily make any statement about how it started and nobody is suggesting to abandon religion. Regarding the issue of dinosaurs having been unknown, or called dragons or other mythical things, how is that related to whether evolution exists? Cavemen did not have the technology to wonder about them, but that does not make dinosaurs exist any less. And they were not having dinos as pets either, as they have died out before humans existed. Similar to Egyptian drawings not showing astronauts, caveman drawings do not show alive dinosaurs. If they would, how would you explain the age difference in cavemen versus dinosaur skeletons? And where would you say dinosaurs LIVE today? If you are interested in alive dragons, visit a Komodo Dragon. Those lizards do have some dragon-like properties, but they are not dinosaurs either - too "modern" species for that. Regards, Eric _______________________________________________ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
