Thank you Bruce. I've had this prob randomly before - but recently it's been 
each of the last 10 datasets - so I think its a process issue that I introduced 
- but would love help from any direction.

If I use the upload site - which files to you need?  will send wm.mgz, ?h.orig 
surface - any others?

Thank you -
Sherri



-----Original Message-----
>From: Bruce Fischl <fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>Sent: Apr 7, 2010 1:15 PM
>To: Sherri Novis <echot...@earthlink.net>
>Cc: Sita Kakunoori <s...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>, freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Pial Surfaces Cutting off Gyri
>
>Hi Sherri,
>
>you may also have a topological defect near those control points, which 
>is causing the surfaces to lose the wm (and hence the gm also). What does 
>the wm.mgz look like there? Is the wm segmented correctly but not 
>included in the ?h.orig surface? If you upload this data we can take a 
>look, if you want.
>Bruce
>
>
>On Wed, 7 Apr 2010, Sherri Novis wrote:
>
>> Thanks Sita. I have struggled with how to capture very ghostly gray matter.  
>> Sometimes throwing a CP in it works (I understand now this may be hosing it 
>> sometimes) - if AR2-cp w/CPs in white matter is not driving the pial 
>> surfaces to capture all the gray - is the only way to capture the ghostly 
>> gray matter to directly edit the pial surface?
>>
>> I was trying to avoid that. I was told don't ever edit the pial surfaces - 
>> not sure why though.  Will manual edits of the pial surfaces cause other 
>> problems in getting surface segmentation stats?
>>
>> Thank you -
>> Sherri
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sita Kakunoori <s...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Sent: Apr 7, 2010 12:55 PM
>>> To: Sherri Novis <echot...@earthlink.net>
>>> Cc: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Pial Surfaces Cutting off Gyri
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Sherri,
>>>
>>> one of the control points seems to be in gray matter, which is probably
>>> causing this. Please try deleting it and rerunning autorecon2-cp.
>>>
>>> Sita.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Sherri Novis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello brilliant and generous FS people,
>>>>
>>>> I have introduced a problem I cannot solve.   I am simply trying to 
>>>> capture as much gray matter as possible.  We have some very bad constrast 
>>>> images (ghostly edeges where the gray matter should be).  I'm adding 
>>>> control points to try to capture - however, now when I run AR2-cp, the 
>>>> pial surfaces go haywire on the superior borders of the slices.
>>>>
>>>> Attached are two images displaying the problem.
>>>>
>>>> I have edited wm.mgz to fill in the ventricles because I was getting 
>>>> islands, and I manually edited the brainmask to remove some vasculature 
>>>> that was being included in the pial surfaces.
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell me where I introduced this instability?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Sherri
>>>
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