Can you send me the aparc.annot.ctab and label files?

On 08/03/2016 12:25 PM, Caroline Beelen wrote:
> My command line is:
> mris_label2annot --subject fsaverage --hemi  lh  --ctab aparc.annot.ctab 
> --annot myaparc  --l lh.fusiform.label
>    --l lh.inferiorparietal.label (etc.)  --nhits nhits.mgh
> (I have version 5.3)
>
> Regards, Caroline
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 09:30:48 -0400
> From: Douglas Greve <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] mapping error
> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
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> what is your command line?
>
>
> On 8/3/16 6:00 AM, Caroline Beelen wrote:
>> Dear FS,
>>
>> An aparc.annot ctab file was created but I got the following error:
>>
>> Colortable:aparc.annot.ctab
>>
>> Annotname: myaparc
>>
>> Nhitsfile nhits.mgh
>>
>> Nlabels 6
>>
>> Labeltresh 0 0.00000
>>
>> Loading freesurfer/fsaverage/surf/lh.orig
>>
>> 1 -1 not found
>>
>> 2 -1 not found
>>
>> 3 -1 not found
>>
>> Etc?
>>
>> Mapping unhit to unknown
>>
>> Found 132101 unhit vertices
>>
>> Writing annot to freesurfer/fsaverage/lh.myaparc.annot
>>
>> I guess my ctab file is incorrect? I included an example of a label
>> with it.
>>
>> Thanks again for your help.
>>
>> Caroline
>>
>>
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>     1. Re: brain mask and T1 are not the same size (Isabelle Deschamps)
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>     4. Re: Multiple Comparison Question for surface-based analyses
>        (Douglas Greve)
>     5. Re: Coordinates in TRACULA group analysis (Anastasia Yendiki)
>     6. Re: brain mask and T1 are not the same size (Douglas N Greve)
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> From: Isabelle Deschamps <isabelle.deschamp...@ulaval.ca>
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> From: Anri WATANABE <z2aa...@koto.kpu-m.ac.jp>
> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Coordinates in TRACULA group analysis
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> Hi Anastasia,
>
> Thank you for your kind explanation. I can be understanding how TRACULA
> tracts white matter pathways.
> At each position (in training subjects, not in new subjects of my data)
> probability that next goes for which direction to every labels in the
> aparc+aseg (not with setting a certain ROI) is computed with use of
> training subjects. The prior probabilities are made from training subjects
> (your publication in 2011) and they are based on manual labeling (the
> manual labeling tracts are referred to Wakana et al. 2007). Then when white
> matter pathways are reconstructed in my subjects, TRACULA computes
> anatomical priors in each subjects in my data in pre-processing and
> probability distributions from anatomical priors and by fitting
> ball-and-stick model.
> Is this comprehension ok?
>
> Best Regards,
> Anri
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************
> ????????????
> ????????
> ?? ??
> **********************************************************************
> Anri WATANABE, M.D.
> Department of Psychiatry,
> University Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural University of Medicine
> **********************************************************************
>
> 2016-07-31 22:49 GMT+09:00 Anastasia Yendiki <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>
>> Hi Anri - Instead of hard-coding some ROIs in the white matter that the
>> tract is forced to go through, TRACULA uses information like "what is the
>> probability that this tract goes lateral/anterior/etc to XXX", where XXX
>> any of the labels in the aparc+aseg. TRACULA computes these prior
>> probabilities from a set of training subjects, where the tracts have been
>> labeled manually. So it knows how likely a tract is to go through a certain
>> aparc+aseg label, or to he left, right, anterior, etc of a certain
>> aparc+aseg label. This is computed separately at each position along the
>> tract. It's computed from the training subjects, and then used when
>> reconstructing the tract in the new subject that you run TRACULA on.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> a.y
>>
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Anri WATANABE wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, AnastasiaI know that TRACULA use probabilistic tractography but if
>>> ROIs are not
>>>
>>> set how determine the origin and the end of a certain tract? I think that
>>> the first we
>>> have to determine the origin and the end of the tract, the second it
>>> constructs possible
>>> pathway not with the deterministic way (only 1 direction / 1 voxel) but
>>> with the
>>> probabilistic way (considering which direction should be next to). Is
>>> this comprehension
>>> wrong?
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Anri
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>> ????????????
>>> ????????
>>> ?? ??
>>> **********************************************************************
>>> Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>> Department of Psychiatry,
>>> University Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural University of Medicine
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>> 2016-07-31 13:22 GMT+09:00 Anastasia Yendiki <
>>> ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>>
>>>        Hi Anri - TRACULA does not use deterministic ROIs. It uses a
>>> probabilistic
>>>        model of how likely each tract is to go through or next to each of
>>> the labels
>>>        of the freesurfer subcortical segmentation and cortical
>>> parcellation, as a
>>>        function of position along the trajectory of the tract.
>>>
>>>        Best,
>>>        a.y
>>>
>>>        On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Anri WATANABE wrote:
>>>
>>>              Hi Anastasia,
>>>              Thank you! It seems work well!!
>>>              I have another question. Are ROIs for automatic tractography
>>> in
>>>              TRACULA the same ROIs
>>>              presented in Wakana et al. 2007?
>>>
>>>              Anri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>              ????????????
>>>              ????????
>>>              ?? ??
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>              Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>>              Department of Psychiatry,
>>>              University Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural University of Medicine
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>              2016-07-27 13:17 GMT+09:00 Anastasia Yendiki
>>>              <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>>
>>>                    Hi Anri - The problem is in this line:
>>>
>>>                                 set cmd = ($cmd --ref $cvstempdir/$cvstemp)
>>>
>>>                    It should be changed to this:
>>>
>>>                                 set cmd = ($cmd --ref
>>>              $cvstempdir/$cvstemp/mri/norm.mgz)
>>>
>>>                    For this to take effect, you need to run "which
>>> trac-all"
>>>              and make the change in
>>>                    the trac-all file that the which commands shows you.
>>>
>>>                    Hope this helps,
>>>
>>>                    a.y
>>>
>>>                    On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Anri WATANABE wrote:
>>>
>>>                          Hi, AnastasiaThis is trac-all.local-copy from 1
>>>              subject. Thank you!
>>>
>>>                          Anri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>                          ????????????
>>>                          ????????
>>>                          ?? ??
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>                          Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>>                          Department of Psychiatry,
>>>                          University Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural University
>>> of
>>>              Medicine
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>                          2016-07-13 6:16 GMT+09:00 Anastasia Yendiki
>>>                          <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>>
>>>                                Hi Anri - This may be a bug that was fixed
>>> at
>>>              some point. Can
>>>                                you send me the scripts/trac-all.local-copy
>>> from
>>>              one of your
>>>                                subjects? Thanks!
>>>
>>>                                a.y
>>>
>>>                                On Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Anri WATANABE wrote:
>>>
>>>                                      Hi Anastasia,There is an error in .log
>>>              files of left
>>>                                      corticospinal tract in cvs template
>>> and I
>>>              attached
>>>                                      one
>>>                                      of file. In addition .log files of
>>> right
>>>                                      corticospinal tract in cvs template
>>>              doesn't exist.
>>>                                      Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>                                      Anri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>                                      ????????????
>>>                                      ????????
>>>                                      ?? ??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>                                      Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>>                                      Department of Psychiatry,
>>>                                      University Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural
>>>              University of
>>>                                      Medicine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>                                      2016-07-07 20:12 GMT+09:00 Anastasia
>>>              Yendiki
>>>                                      <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>>
>>>                                            Hi Anri - Is there an error in
>>> the
>>>              stats/*.log
>>>                                      files for the different tracts?
>>>
>>>                                            a.y
>>>
>>>                                            On Tue, 5 Jul 2016, Anri
>>> WATANABE
>>>              wrote:
>>>
>>>                                                  Dear Anastasia,
>>>
>>>                                                  I use TRACULA to obtain
>>>              diffusion
>>>                                      measures at each voxel in a certain
>>>              pathway for
>>>                                                  group analysis, but
>>>                                                  there aren't
>>>              stats/*.path.mean.txt
>>>                                      files. I found .log files
>>>
>>> (<tract>_PP.avg33_mni_bbr.log)
>>>              which
>>>                                      exist
>>>                                                  1 file per 1 tract, except
>>>              corticospinal
>>>                                      tract which has 2 .log files.
>>>
>>>                                                  Command: trac-all ?stat ?c
>>>
>>>              $TUTORIAL_DATA/diffusion_tutorial/dmrirc.example
>>>
>>>                                                  Error log: Loading output
>>>              reference
>>>                                      volume from
>>>
>>>
>>>              /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35
>>>
>>>                                                  corRead(): can't open file
>>>
>>>              /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35/COR-.info
>>>
>>>                                                  ERROR: Could not read
>>>
>>>              /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                  I attached dmrirc.example
>>>              (configuration
>>>                                      file) and
>>> <subjd>/scripts/trac-all.log.
>>>
>>>
>>>                                                  Thanks in advance,
>>>                                                  Anri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>                                                  ????????????
>>>                                                  ????????
>>>                                                  ?? ??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>                                                  Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>>                                                  Department of Psychiatry,
>>>                                                  University Hospital, Kyoto
>>>              Prefectural
>>>                                      University of Medicine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>                                                  2016-06-03 9:51 GMT+09:00
>>> Anri
>>>              WATANABE
>>>                                      <z2aa...@koto.kpu-m.ac.jp>:
>>>                                                        Hi, Anastasia.
>>>                                                  There aren't any .log
>>> files
>>>              but text
>>>                                      files like
>>>              lh.ilf_AS.avg33_mni_bbr.FA_Avg.txt.
>>>                                                  I guess text
>>>                                                  files complete all
>>> pathways
>>>              and
>>>                                      measures.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>                                                  ????????????
>>>                                                  ????????
>>>                                                  ?? ??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>                                                  Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>>                                                  Department of Psychiatry,
>>>                                                  University Hospital, Kyoto
>>>              Prefectural
>>>                                      University of Medicine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>                                                  2016-06-02 3:03 GMT+09:00
>>>              Anastasia
>>>                                      Yendiki <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>>> :
>>>                                                        Thanks, Anri. So the
>>>              previous
>>>                                      steps seem to have run fine. Are
>>> there any
>>>              .log
>>>                                                  files
>>>                                                        created in the
>>> stats/
>>>              folder,
>>>                                      which is created by trac-all -stat?
>>>
>>>                                                        On Wed, 1 Jun 2016,
>>> Anri
>>>              WATANABE
>>>                                      wrote:
>>>
>>>                                                              Hi
>>> Anastasia, This
>>>              is a
>>>                                      <subjid>/scripts/trac-all.log of one
>>>              subject of
>>>                                                              the group.
>>>
>>>                                                              Thanks,
>>>                                                              Anri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>              ????????????
>>>                                                              ????????
>>>                                                              ?? ??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>                                                              Anri WATANABE,
>>>              M.D.
>>>                                                              Department of
>>>              Psychiatry,
>>>                                                              University
>>>              Hospital, Kyoto
>>>                                      Prefectural University of Medicine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>                                                              2016-05-31
>>> 22:55
>>>              GMT+09:00
>>>                                      Anastasia Yendiki
>>>
>>>                                      <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>>
>>>                                                                    Hi Anri
>>> -
>>>              Can you also
>>>                                      send your log file
>>> (scripts/trac-all.log)?
>>>                                                              I'll need to
>>> see
>>>              what
>>>                                                                    exactly
>>> was
>>>              running
>>>                                      when the error occurred. Thanks!
>>>
>>>                                                                    a.y
>>>
>>>                                                                    On Sat,
>>> 28
>>>              May 2016,
>>>                                      Anri WATANABE wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>                                      Anastasia,sorry for few information
>>> and
>>>              let me tell
>>>                                                  you
>>>                                                              command and
>>>
>>> error
>>>              log.
>>>
>>>                                      Command: trac-all ?stat ?c
>>>
>>>
>>>              $TUTORIAL_DATA/diffusion_tutorial/dmrirc.example
>>>
>>>
>>> Error
>>>                                      log: Loading output reference volume
>>> from
>>>
>>>
>>>              /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35
>>>
>>>
>>>              corRead(): can't
>>>                                      open file
>>>
>>>
>>>              /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35/COR-.info
>>>
>>>
>>> ERROR:
>>>              Could not
>>>                                      read
>>>
>>>
>>>              /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      dmrirc.example (configuration file) is
>>>              attached to
>>>                                      this
>>>                                                              e-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>              in
>>>                                      advance,
>>>
>>> Anri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>                                      ????????????
>>>
>>>              ????????
>>>                                                                          ??
>>>              ??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>> Anri
>>>              WATANABE,
>>>                                      M.D.
>>>
>>>              Department of
>>>                                      Psychiatry,
>>>
>>>              University
>>>                                      Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural
>>> University of
>>>                                                  Medicine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>              2016-05-27 22:57
>>>                                      GMT+09:00 Anastasia Yendiki
>>>
>>>                                      <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>              Hi Anri -
>>>                                      I do not know what command line you
>>> ran
>>>              and
>>>                                                              what your
>>>
>>>              configuration
>>>                                      file looks like, so it is very
>>>
>>>
>>>              hard for
>>>                                      me to suggest solutions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>              Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>              a.y
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>              On Fri, 27
>>>                                      May 2016, Anri WATANABE wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                    Hi
>>>                                      Anastasia,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      Thank you for your answer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      There aren't stats/*.path.mean.txt
>>>              files and
>>>                                                              terminal says
>>>              'Could
>>>
>>> not
>>>              read
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>              /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35.' I
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      checked
>>>
>>>
>>> /Application/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35
>>>              folder
>>>                                      and
>>>
>>>              couldn't find
>>>                                      COR-.info file.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      Could you tell me any resolutions,
>>> please?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>                    Anri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      ????????????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      ????????
>>>
>>>
>>>                    ??
>>>                                      ??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>                    Anri
>>>                                      WATANABE, M.D.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      Department of Psychiatry,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      University Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural
>>>                                                  University
>>>                                                              of Medicine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      2016-05-21 6:48 GMT+09:00 Anastasia
>>>              Yendiki
>>>
>>>                                      <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                        Hi Anri - The FA values are
>>> extracted in
>>>                                                              the native
>>> space
>>>                                                                          of
>>>              each subject,
>>>                                      which is why
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      those are the only
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                        coordinates that you see. If you
>>> want to
>>>                                                              display the
>>>
>>>              results of your
>>>                                      analysis on an average
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      path, after
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                        running trac-all -stat, you can use
>>> the
>>>
>>>                                      stats/*.path.mean.txt files (see also
>>> the
>>>              last part
>>>
>>>
>>>                    of
>>>                                      the TRACULA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                        tutorial).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                        Best,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                        a.y
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                        On Wed, 18 May 2016, Anri WATANABE
>>>              wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              Dear experts,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              I use TRACULA to examine a
>>> measure
>>>                                                              (FA) at each
>>> voxel
>>>
>>> in one
>>>              pathway.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              pathstats.byvoxel.txt files
>>> show
>>>                                                              coordinates in
>>>
>>> native
>>>              space and
>>>                                      after converting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                      those the new
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              files don't show any
>>> coordinates
>>>                                                              which are in
>>> MNI
>>>
>>> space.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              Could you tell me how can I
>>> know
>>>                                                  MNI
>>>                                                              coordinate
>>>
>>>              values?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              Thank you!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              Anri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              ????????????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              ????????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              ?? ??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              Department of Psychiatry,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                                              University Hospital, Kyoto
>>>                                                              Prefectural
>>>              University of
>>>
>>>              Medicine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **********************************************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> From: Douglas Greve <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] mapping error
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> what is your command line?
>
>
> On 8/3/16 6:00 AM, Caroline Beelen wrote:
>> Dear FS,
>>
>> An aparc.annot ctab file was created but I got the following error:
>>
>> Colortable:aparc.annot.ctab
>>
>> Annotname: myaparc
>>
>> Nhitsfile nhits.mgh
>>
>> Nlabels 6
>>
>> Labeltresh 0 0.00000
>>
>> Loading freesurfer/fsaverage/surf/lh.orig
>>
>> 1 -1 not found
>>
>> 2 -1 not found
>>
>> 3 -1 not found
>>
>> Etc?
>>
>> Mapping unhit to unknown
>>
>> Found 132101 unhit vertices
>>
>> Writing annot to freesurfer/fsaverage/lh.myaparc.annot
>>
>> I guess my ctab file is incorrect? I included an example of a label
>> with it.
>>
>> Thanks again for your help.
>>
>> Caroline
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 09:41:24 -0400
> From: Douglas Greve <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison Question for
>       surface-based analyses
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> On 8/3/16 3:45 AM, Ajay Kurani wrote:
>> Hi Doug,
>>     Thank you very much for your update regarding this issue.
>>
>> 1)Just curious, will LGI be included in this report as this is another
>> analysis of interest?
> I was not planning to. The 809 subjects that I used for thickness do not
> have lGI run on them, but I think it is possible to run it on a subset
> without too much trouble. Not sure when I'll get to it.
>> 2)As for the cortical thickness I originally used 15mm in the analysis
>> so based on your email I think using 5-10mm may be more prudent in
>> order to minimize FPR.  From your email, I understand that
>> mris_surf2surf (command I use to convert individual subject to
>> fsaverage or template and smooth to 10-15mm) assumes an ACF estimation
>> of smoothness which DOES NOT take into account the long tail
>> distribution.  Does this mean that when using mri_mcsim on my own
>> template, the cluster extents for a given smoothness will be
>> undersampled due to the fact that the "true" smoothness is more than
>> what is estimated in the simulation, correct?  For instance, when I
>> select 15mm in qdec, it would point to the 21mm folder
>> (fwhm.dat=20.8mm estimate), and I would select a given cluster extent
>> for p=0.05.  However, in this case, 15mm may translate to a larger
>> FWHM than the estimated 21mm, correct?
> Sort of. It is the Gaussian assumption that is incorrect, so there is no
> one FWHM that is correct (it is not a question of it simply being too
> small).
>> 3)You mentioned that I can use mri_glmfit-sim which is permutation
>> testing based.  I am struggling a bit in understanding how this
>> differs from the simulation ran with mri_mcsim/qdec?  Does qdec monte
>> carlo simulation option run mri_glmfit-sim in the background to
>> estimate the smoothness which looks up the cluster extent within the
>> mri_mcsim based on the estimated FWHM?  If so, is this estimate
>> incorrect due to the fact that the long tails are not taken into account?
> Permutation uses your data and permutes (ie, randomly swaps) the class
> label associated with a subject, the data with this new labeling are
> analyzed and clusters computed. Under the null, the label is irrelevant,
> so clusters are interpreted as false positives. After several thousand
> of these swaps, one builds a list of the probability of seeing a cluster
> of a certain size under the null, and this is used to generate the
> p-value.  Permutation will then naturally take into account all the
> non-Gaussian aspects of the data. The monte carlo (MC) simulation is
> similar, but it uses smoothed synthesized gaussian noise instead of the
> real data and so the gaussian assumption is  built into it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ajay
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:43 PM, Ajay Kurani <dr.ajay.kur...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dr.ajay.kur...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>      Hello Freesurfer Experts,
>>         Recently there were two article published regarding clusterwise
>>      simulations for volumetric fmri analyses and potential errors for
>>      underestimating clusterwise extent thresholds.
>>
>>      1) http://www.pnas.org/content/113/28/7900.full.pdf?with-ds=yes
>>      2) biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/26/065862
>>      <http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/26/065862>
>>
>>      One issue pointed out from these articles seems software specific,
>>      however the second issue is determining the proper clustersize.
>>      The heavy-tail nature of spatial smoothness seems to be ignored
>>      and a gaussian shape is generally assumed, leading to an
>>      underestimation of the spatial smoothness which can affect cluster
>>      size calculations.  The issues are highlighted in the second
>>      article above.
>>
>>      I created my own monte carlo simulation in Freesurfer for a
>>      specific brain template and I wanted to find out if these concerns
>>      also apply to my surface based simulations?  I am not sure if it
>>      does since the monte carlo tool is a GRF simulation as opposed to
>>      an analytic equation, however given that these articles were
>>      highlighted very recently, I wanted to ensure I am running things
>>      appropriately for surface based cortical thickness/dti analyses.
>>
>>      Thanks,
>>      Ajay
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 10:15:53 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Anastasia Yendiki <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Coordinates in TRACULA group analysis
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> That's correct!
>
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2016, Anri WATANABE wrote:
>
>> Hi Anastasia,
>> Thank you for your kind explanation. I can be understanding how TRACULA 
>> tracts white matter pathways.?
>> At each position (in training subjects, not in new subjects of my data) 
>> probability that next goes for
>> which direction to every labels in the aparc+aseg (not with setting a 
>> certain ROI) is computed with use of
>> training subjects. The prior probabilities are made from training subjects 
>> (your publication in 2011) and
>> they are based on manual labeling (the manual labeling tracts are referred 
>> to Wakana et al. 2007). Then
>> when white matter pathways are reconstructed in my subjects, TRACULA 
>> computes anatomical priors in each
>> subjects in my data in pre-processing and probability distributions from 
>> anatomical priors and by fitting
>> ball-and-stick model.?
>> Is this comprehension ok?
>>
>> Best Regards,?
>> Anri
>>
>>
>>
>> **********************************************************************
>> ????????????
>> ????????
>> ?? ??
>> **********************************************************************
>> Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>> Department of Psychiatry,
>> University Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural University of Medicine
>> **********************************************************************
>>
>> 2016-07-31 22:49 GMT+09:00 Anastasia Yendiki <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>
>>        Hi Anri - Instead of hard-coding some ROIs in the white matter that 
>> the tract is forced to go
>>        through, TRACULA uses information like "what is the probability that 
>> this tract goes
>>        lateral/anterior/etc to XXX", where XXX any of the labels in the 
>> aparc+aseg. TRACULA computes
>>        these prior probabilities from a set of training subjects, where the 
>> tracts have been labeled
>>        manually. So it knows how likely a tract is to go through a certain 
>> aparc+aseg label, or to he
>>        left, right, anterior, etc of a certain aparc+aseg label. This is 
>> computed separately at each
>>        position along the tract. It's computed from the training subjects, 
>> and then used when
>>        reconstructing the tract in the new subject that you run TRACULA on.
>>
>>        Hope this helps,
>>        a.y
>>
>>        On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Anri WATANABE wrote:
>>
>>              Thanks, AnastasiaI know that TRACULA use probabilistic 
>> tractography but if ROIs
>>              are not
>>              set how determine the origin and the end of a certain tract? I 
>> think that the
>>              first we
>>              have to determine the origin and the end of the tract, the 
>> second it constructs
>>              possible
>>              pathway not with the deterministic way (only 1 direction / 1 
>> voxel) but with the
>>              probabilistic way (considering which direction should be next 
>> to). Is this
>>              comprehension
>>              wrong?
>>              Thank you.
>>
>>              Anri
>>
>>
>>              
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ????????????
>>              ????????
>>              ?? ??
>>              
>> **********************************************************************
>>              Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>              Department of Psychiatry,
>>              University Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural University of Medicine
>>              
>> **********************************************************************
>>
>>              2016-07-31 13:22 GMT+09:00 Anastasia Yendiki 
>> <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>
>>              ? ? ? Hi Anri - TRACULA does not use deterministic ROIs. It 
>> uses a probabilistic
>>              ? ? ? model of how likely each tract is to go through or next 
>> to each of the
>>              labels
>>              ? ? ? of the freesurfer subcortical segmentation and cortical 
>> parcellation, as a
>>              ? ? ? function of position along the trajectory of the tract.
>>
>>              ? ? ? Best,
>>              ? ? ? a.y
>>
>>              ? ? ? On Sun, 31 Jul 2016, Anri WATANABE wrote:
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? Hi Anastasia,
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? Thank you! It seems work well!!
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? I have another question. Are ROIs for automatic 
>> tractography in
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? TRACULA the same ROIs
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? presented in Wakana et al. 2007?
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? Anri
>>
>>
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ????????????
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ????????
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ??
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? Department of Psychiatry,
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? University Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural University 
>> of Medicine
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 2016-07-27 13:17 GMT+09:00 Anastasia Yendiki
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hi Anri - The problem is in this line:
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?set cmd = ($cmd --ref 
>> $cvstempdir/$cvstemp)
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? It should be changed to this:
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?set cmd = ($cmd --ref
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? $cvstempdir/$cvstemp/mri/norm.mgz)
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? For this to take effect, you need to run 
>> "which trac-all"
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? and make the change in
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? the trac-all file that the which commands 
>> shows you.
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hope this helps,
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? a.y
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Anri WATANABE wrote:
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hi, AnastasiaThis is 
>> trac-all.local-copy from 1
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? subject. Thank you!
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Anri
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????????????
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????????
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ??
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Department of Psychiatry,
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? University Hospital, Kyoto Prefectural 
>> University of
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? Medicine
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2016-07-13 6:16 GMT+09:00 Anastasia 
>> Yendiki
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hi Anri - This may be a bug that 
>> was fixed at
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? some point. Can
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? you send me the 
>> scripts/trac-all.local-copy from
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? one of your
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? subjects? Thanks!
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? a.y
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? On Mon, 11 Jul 2016, Anri 
>> WATANABE wrote:
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hi Anastasia,There is an 
>> error in .log
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? files of left
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? corticospinal tract in cvs 
>> template and I
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? attached
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? one
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? of file. In addition .log 
>> files of right
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? corticospinal tract in cvs 
>> template
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? doesn't exist.?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks in advance.
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Anri
>>
>>
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????????????
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????????
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ??
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Anri WATANABE, M.D.
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Department of Psychiatry,
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? University Hospital, Kyoto 
>> Prefectural
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? University of
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Medicine
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2016-07-07 20:12 GMT+09:00 
>> Anastasia
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? Yendiki
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hi Anri - Is there an 
>> error in the
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? stats/*.log
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? files for the different 
>> tracts?
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? a.y
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? On Tue, 5 Jul 2016, 
>> Anri WATANABE
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? wrote:
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Dear Anastasia,?
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I use TRACULA 
>> to obtain
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? diffusion
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? measures at each voxel in a 
>> certain
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? pathway for
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? group analysis, 
>> but
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? there aren't
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? stats/*.path.mean.txt
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? files. I found .log files
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> (<tract>_PP.avg33_mni_bbr.log)
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? which
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? exist
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 1 file per 1 
>> tract, except
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? corticospinal
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? tract which has 2 .log 
>> files.
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> Command:?trac-all ?stat ?c
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? $TUTORIAL_DATA/diffusion_tutorial/dmrirc.example
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Error 
>> log:?Loading output
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? reference
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? volume from
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? corRead(): 
>> can't open file
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35/COR-.info
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ERROR: Could 
>> not read
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/cvs_avg35
>>
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I attached 
>> dmrirc.example
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? (configuration
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? file) and 
>> <subjd>/scripts/trac-all.log.
>>
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks in 
>> advance,
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Anri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????????????
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????????
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ??
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Anri WATANABE, 
>> M.D.
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Department of 
>> Psychiatry,
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? University 
>> Hospital, Kyoto
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? Prefectural
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? University of Medicine
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2016-06-03 9:51 
>> GMT+09:00 Anri
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? WATANABE
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? <z2aa...@koto.kpu-m.ac.jp>:
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Hi, 
>> Anastasia.
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? There aren't 
>> any .log files
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? but text
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? files like
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? lh.ilf_AS.avg33_mni_bbr.FA_Avg.txt.
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? I guess text
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? files complete 
>> all pathways
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? and
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? measures.
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????????????
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ????????
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ??
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Anri WATANABE, 
>> M.D.
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Department of 
>> Psychiatry,
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? University 
>> Hospital, Kyoto
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? Prefectural
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? University of Medicine
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>> **********************************************************************
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2016-06-02 3:03 
>> GMT+09:00
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? Anastasia
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Yendiki 
>> <ayend...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>:
>>
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks, 
>> Anri. So the
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? previous
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? steps seem to have run 
>> fine. Are there any
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? .log
>>              ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? files
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 10:43:56 -0400
> From: Douglas N Greve <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] brain mask and T1 are not the same size
> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
> Message-ID: <57a2032c.4050...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
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> Sorry, I did not see that one of the volumes was 256x256x255. I cannot
> replicate here on your data using 5.3 under linux. Can you say exactly
> what you do in freeview? Also, what version of FS are you using? And
> what platform?
>
> On 08/03/2016 06:50 AM, Isabelle Deschamps wrote:
>> I had the problem before and was told the the output of mri_info
>> should be 256 x 256 x 256 for the dimensions of the brainmask and T1.
>> When I run mri_info on the brainmask.mgz that I modified I have 256 x
>> 256 x 255 but the T1 I have 256 x 256 x 256. The zstart and zend are
>> also different between the brainmask and T1. Could that be the source
>> of the problem?
>>
>> *Modified brainmask:*
>> mri_info
>> /Volumes/Flynn/ProjetPhonoBehavioralTMS/Freesurfer/S14_FS/mri/brainmask.mgz
>>
>> Volume information for
>> /Volumes/Flynn/ProjetPhonoBehavioralTMS/Freesurfer/S14_FS/mri/brainmask.mgz
>>            type: MGH
>>      dimensions: 256 x 256 x 255
>>     voxel sizes: 1.0000, 1.0000, 1.0000
>>            type: UCHAR (0)
>>             fov: 256.000
>>             dof: 0
>>          xstart: -128.0, xend: 128.0
>>          ystart: -128.0, yend: 128.0
>>          zstart: -127.5, zend: 127.5
>>
>> *T1:*
>> mri_info
>> /Volumes/Flynn/ProjetPhonoBehavioralTMS/Freesurfer/S14_FS/mri/T1.mgz
>> Volume information for
>> /Volumes/Flynn/ProjetPhonoBehavioralTMS/Freesurfer/S14_FS/mri/T1.mgz
>>            type: MGH
>>      dimensions: 256 x 256 x 256
>>     voxel sizes: 1.0000, 1.0000, 1.0000
>>            type: UCHAR (0)
>>             fov: 256.000
>>             dof: 0
>>          xstart: -128.0, xend: 128.0
>>          ystart: -128.0, yend: 128.0
>>          zstart: -128.0, zend: 128.0
>>
>> *Non-modified brain mask:*
>> mri_info /Users/Isabelle/Desktop/S14/brainmask_orig.mgz
>> Volume information for /Users/Isabelle/Desktop/S14/brainmask_orig.mgz
>>            type: MGH
>>      dimensions: 256 x 256 x 256
>>     voxel sizes: 1.0000, 1.0000, 1.0000
>>            type: UCHAR (0)
>>             fov: 256.000
>>             dof: 0
>>          xstart: -128.0, xend: 128.0
>>          ystart: -128.0, yend: 128.0
>>          zstart: -128.0, zend: 128.0
>>
>> I am not sure why I get this error and why the change in dimensions,
>> zstart and zend between the brainmask and T1. For all other
>> participants that do not have an error the information of mri_info for
>> dimensions, zstart and zend is the same for the brainmask and T1. So I
>> am very confuse as to why these 4 participants are exiting with the
>> same error. I am not sure what I am doing wrong in this case.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Isabelle
>>
>> On 3 Aug 2016, at 06:00, freesurfer-requ...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>> <mailto:freesurfer-requ...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> wrote:
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>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>    1. DTI of frontostriatal tracts (Ritobrato Datta)
>>>    2. Re: Multiple Comparison Question for surface-based analyses
>>>       (Douglas N Greve)
>>>    3. Re: brain mask and T1 are not the same size (Douglas N Greve)
>>>    4. Save Overlay via Command Line (Jordan Chad)
>>>    5. Re: MNI coordinates of all the vertices of fsaverage
>>>       (Douglas N Greve)
>>>    6. Retinotopy questions (Xiaomin Yue)
>>>    7. Re: DTI of frontostriatal tracts (Anthony Dick)
>>>    8. Re: DTI of frontostriatal tracts (Ritobrato Datta)
>>>    9. Re: Labels to MNI152, SPM compatible (Thomas Yeo)
>>>   10. Re: Multiple Comparison Question for surface-basedanalyses
>>>       (Ajay Kurani)
>>>   11. mapping error (Caroline Beelen)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 12:26:43 -0400 (EDT)
>>> From: Ritobrato Datta <rida...@mail.med.upenn.edu
>>> <mailto:rida...@mail.med.upenn.edu>>
>>> Subject: [Freesurfer] DTI of frontostriatal tracts
>>> To: Freesurfer support list <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
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>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> We are studying adolescents with HIV and are interested in
>>> frontostriatal tracts (anything from frontal cortex to
>>> caudate/putamen/nucleus accumbens) and tracts connected to the amygdala.
>>>
>>> Is anyone aware of DTI based atlases where these tracts are defined
>>> in MNI or some other standard space ?
>>>
>>> Any suggestions will be very helpful.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Ri
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 12:54:01 -0400
>>> From: Douglas N Greve <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison Question for
>>> surface-based analyses
>>> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> <mailto:freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Message-ID: <57a0d029.7020...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
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>>>
>>> I have  been doing simulations similar to #1 (Eklund) using
>>> surface-based analysis on both thickness and fMRI. I'll prepare a report
>>> of the results, but the early indications are that the same effect is in
>>> play, though it does not look like the effects are as bad as in Eklund.
>>>
>>> For thickness analysis using applied smoothing of 5 or 10 mm FWHM, for a
>>> voxel-wise threshold of .001, the false positives are appropriate (ie,
>>> 5%). For a voxel-wise threshold of .01, the false positives is only a
>>> little off (about 7%); for a voxel-wise threshold of .05, the FPR is
>>> about 13%. If the data are not smoothed at all, then the false positive
>>> rates go way up. The reason appears to be the same as found in Eklund
>>> (ie, the autocorrelation function has a heavier-than-Gaussian tail). I
>>> did the analysis by randomly selecting 40 subjects from a homogeneous
>>> data set of 809 subjects aged 18-25. I then made two groups of 20
>>> subjects each and ran a two-group test, then found clusters significant
>>> based on our Monte Carlo (Gaussian) simulations. I repeated this several
>>> thousand times. Any significant clusters were interpreted as false
>>> positives. These results are much better than Eklund, but Eklund was
>>> analyzing fMRI data.
>>>
>>> I'm still working on the fMRI data. It is much more complicated because
>>> the results depend on the assumed stimulus schedule (eg, 10 sec blocks
>>> vs 30 sec blocks) and whether a one-group or two-group anaysis is done;
>>> nuisance variables also play a role. At very low cluster-forming
>>> thresholds (ie, .05), the FPR is roughly 20-30%. At a threshold of .01,
>>> the FPR is about 3-13%. At a threshold of .001 are about 1-6%. This is
>>> all for an applied smoothing level of 5mm.
>>>
>>> All of these results are preliminary, so don't take them as true and
>>> established yet. As a reminder, you can always do a permutation test
>>> using mri_glmfit-sim. Eklund found that permutation did pretty well in
>>> most cases.
>>>
>>> doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/2/16 12:43 AM, Ajay Kurani wrote:
>>>> Hello Freesurfer Experts,
>>>>    Recently there were two article published regarding clusterwise
>>>> simulations for volumetric fmri analyses and potential errors for
>>>> underestimating clusterwise extent thresholds.
>>>>
>>>> 1) http://www.pnas.org/content/113/28/7900.full.pdf?with-ds=yes
>>>> 2) biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/26/065862
>>>> <http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/26/065862>
>>>> <http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/26/065862>
>>>>
>>>> One issue pointed out from these articles seems software specific,
>>>> however the second issue is determining the proper clustersize.  The
>>>> heavy-tail nature of spatial smoothness seems to be ignored and a
>>>> gaussian shape is generally assumed, leading to an underestimation of
>>>> the spatial smoothness which can affect cluster size calculations.
>>>> The issues are highlighted in the second article above.
>>>>
>>>> I created my own monte carlo simulation in Freesurfer for a specific
>>>> brain template and I wanted to find out if these concerns also apply
>>>> to my surface based simulations?  I am not sure if it does since the
>>>> monte carlo tool is a GRF simulation as opposed to an analytic
>>>> equation, however given that these articles were highlighted very
>>>> recently, I wanted to ensure I am running things appropriately for
>>>> surface based cortical thickness/dti analyses.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ajay
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 13:18:09 -0400
>>> From: Douglas N Greve <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] brain mask and T1 are not the same size
>>> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> <mailto:freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Message-ID: <57a0d5d1.20...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> <http://nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>>
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>>>
>>> The voxel size and dimensions of all three volumes are the same: 256^3
>>> and 1mm^3.  Why do you think they are not?
>>>
>>> On 08/02/2016 09:17 AM, Isabelle Deschamps wrote:
>>>> Yes, of course. The upload is now active.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again for your help,
>>>>
>>>> Isabelle
>>>> On 2 Aug 2016, at 08:55, freesurfer-requ...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>>> <mailto:freesurfer-requ...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>>> <mailto:freesurfer-requ...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Re: [Freesurfer] brain mask and T1 are not the same size
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 14:17:28 -0400
>>> From: Jordan Chad <jc...@research.baycrest.org>
>>> Subject: [Freesurfer] Save Overlay via Command Line
>>> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> Message-ID:
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>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am trying to perform between-subject statistics on cortical DTI data in
>>> certain ROIs.
>>>
>>> I can do this by overlaying the DTI data on the surfaces on tksurfer,
>>> load
>>> and mask the label with the ROI, and then go to File -> Save Overlay.
>>> After
>>> doing this for all subjects I can perform statistics on the output files.
>>>
>>> However, it is not practical to do this for all >200 subjects for
>>> each ROI.
>>> Is there a way to go about this process on the command line?
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Jordan Chad
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 15:40:33 -0400
>>> From: Douglas N Greve <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] MNI coordinates of all the vertices of
>>> fsaverage
>>> To: Sabin Khadka <mr.sabinkha...@gmail.com>,
>>> "Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu" <Freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
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>>> By default they are in talairach. But you can get mni305 by adding
>>> --nofixmni to the surfcluster command line
>>>
>>> On 08/02/2016 03:36 PM, Sabin Khadka wrote:
>>>> Hi Doug, Thanks. Are these coordinates in talairach or MNI space? From
>>>> previous post you mentioned these are in mni305 space but if I look at
>>>> the log file it say TalX, TalY, TalZ. I am a little confused.
>>>>
>>>> And how can I convert these coordinates to MNI152 space?
>>>>
>>>> thanks for your help.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Sabin Khadka
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Douglas Greve
>>>> <gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu <mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     ps. you can always just load the xyz in the label into matlab and
>>>>     compute the centroid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 8/1/16 10:23 AM, Sabin Khadka wrote:
>>>>>     Anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>>     Cheers,
>>>>>     Sabin Khadka
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Sabin Khadka
>>>>>     <mr.sabinkha...@gmail.com <mailto:mr.sabinkha...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         Hi Doug, I tried to pick up from the thread below to get MNI
>>>>>         coordinates of each destrieux parcellation region.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>> https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail//freesurfer/2013-July/032037.html
>>>>>
>>>>>         I created label files from
>>>>>         mri_annotation2label --subject fsaverage --hemi lh(/rh)
>>>>>         --annotation aparc.a2009s --outdir label_destrieux   # which
>>>>>         works fine
>>>>>
>>>>>         And I tried to get the coordinates of each labels using
>>>>>
>>>>>         mri_surfcluster --in ~/subjects/fsaverage/surf/lh.thickness
>>>>>         --clabel <label file> --sum <output file> --centroid --thmin
>>>>>         0 --hemi lh --subject fsaverage
>>>>>
>>>>>         But, all left labels would produce the same coordinates and
>>>>>         so does right labels. (I've attached few example files here
>>>>>         with). Also, it says TalX, TalY, TalZ are these coordinates
>>>>>         in MNI or Talairach?
>>>>>
>>>>>         Thanks for help.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     The information in this e-mail is intended only for the person to
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>>> -- 
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>>> Phone Number: 617-724-2358
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>>>
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>>> Outgoing: ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/transfer/outgoing/flat/greve/
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 21:55:38 +0000
>>> From: Xiaomin Yue <yu...@hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Freesurfer] Retinotopy questions
>>> To: Freesurfer support list <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Message-ID: <blu406-eas159bdb45b45ce0f30358a01b3...@phx.gbl>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I am running a retinotopy analysis using fsfast 5.3. ?The design has
>>> 15 TR blank before and after wedge presented for 30 TR with 7
>>> repeats, and ring presented ?for 24 TR with 7 repeats. ?Here is my
>>> analysis:?mkanalysis -s vz -a rtoy.self.rh -fsd bold -fwhm 2 -nskip
>>> 15 -TR 1.5 -retinotopy 48 -paradigm rtopy.par.
>>> The data doesn't look right. ?I assume that the analysis does require
>>> the stimuli presentation as a full circle, which means that the last
>>> 15 TR blank was accounted as the stimuli presentation time. If I am
>>> correct, ?is there simple way to take care of it in mkanalysis-sess?
>>> Second, the ring and wedge were presented in different frequency. It
>>> seems that the anslysis-sess does not take this into account in the
>>> current configration. Is there a way to specify this??
>>> Thanks very much for the help.?
>>> Xiaomin?
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 18:34:53 -0400
>>> From: Anthony Dick <ad...@fiu.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] DTI of frontostriatal tracts
>>> To: <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
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>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> See the paper at this link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25086832
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>>> On 8/2/16 12:26 PM, Ritobrato Datta wrote:
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> We are studying adolescents with HIV and are interested in
>>>>> frontostriatal tracts (anything from frontal cortex to
>>>>> caudate/putamen/nucleus accumbens) and tracts connected to the
>>>>> amygdala.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone aware of DTI based atlases where these tracts are defined
>>>>> in MNI or some other standard space ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions will be very helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Ri
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> -- 
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>>> Associate Professor
>>> Director, Cognitive Neuroscience Program and Graduate Certificate in
>>> Cognitive Neuroscience
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>>> Message: 8
>>> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 19:41:51 -0400 (EDT)
>>> From: Ritobrato Datta <rida...@mail.med.upenn.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] DTI of frontostriatal tracts
>>> To: Freesurfer support list <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Ri
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Anthony Dick <ad...@fiu.edu>
>>> To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
>>> Sent: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 18:34:53 -0400 (EDT)
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] DTI of frontostriatal tracts
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> See the paper at this link: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25086832
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>>> On 8/2/16 12:26 PM, Ritobrato Datta wrote:
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> We are studying adolescents with HIV and are interested in
>>>>> frontostriatal tracts (anything from frontal cortex to
>>>>> caudate/putamen/nucleus accumbens) and tracts connected to the
>>>>> amygdala.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is anyone aware of DTI based atlases where these tracts are defined
>>>>> in MNI or some other standard space ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions will be very helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Ri
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Freesurfer mailing list
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>>>>> https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/mailman/listinfo/freesurfer
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>> -- 
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>>> Associate Professor
>>> Director, Cognitive Neuroscience Program and Graduate Certificate in
>>> Cognitive Neuroscience
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>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 10:43:40 +0800
>>> From: Thomas Yeo <ytho...@csail.mit.edu>
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Labels to MNI152, SPM compatible
>>> To: Freesurfer support list <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <canzvntaw8ja0f7npk9erqsqpcbhcgxrrvnm7t3wftqtnyn4...@mail.gmail.com>
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>>>
>>> Hi Matyas,
>>>
>>> In freeview, looks fine to me. See attached.
>>>
>>> Can you send us your screenshot?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Maty?? Kuhn <matyas.k...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> The Yeo2011_17Networks_MNI152_FreeSurferConformed1mm_LiberalMask.nii.gz
>>>> comes from
>>>> http://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/CorticalParcellation_Yeo2011,
>>>> and the description says it is the FSL MNI152 1mm template interpolated
>>>> and intensity normalized into a 256 x 256 x 256 1mm-isotropic volume
>>>> (obtained by putting the FSL MNI152 1mm template through recon-all ). So
>>>> I supposed it is in MNI305 after it was processed with freesurfer. When
>>>> I overlap the
>>>> Yeo2011_17Networks_MNI152_FreeSurferConformed1mm_LiberalMask.nii.gz and
>>>> Template_T1_IXI555_MNI152.nii it is really shifted so I think it is not
>>>> in MNI152.
>>>>
>>>> When I add the --invertmtx then the result is still the same, empty
>>>> image.
>>>>
>>>> I uploaded those images here:
>>>> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/70539709/Freesurfer_question.zip ,
>>>> if you want to try yourself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Matyas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dne 2.8.2016 v 14:55 Douglas Greve napsal(a):
>>>>>   From the names, it looks like both the seg vol and the template
>>>>> vol are both in mni152. Where did
>>>>> Yeo2011_17Networks_MNI152_FreeSurferConformed1mm_LiberalMask.nii.gz
>>>>> come from? One thing you can try is to invert the registration by
>>>>> adding --invertmtx to the command line.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/2/16 8:18 AM, Maty?? Kuhn wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Freesurfer experts,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just started to use Freesurfer and I was wondering how can I convert
>>>>>> images from MNI305 which uses Freesurfer to MNI152 which is used
>>>>>> by SPM.
>>>>>> We would like to get MNI152 template of Yeo parcelation
>>>>>> (    )
>>>>>> so we can overlay with our results from SPM fMRI analysis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried this:
>>>>>> mri_label2vol --seg
>>>>>> /path_to_analysis/Yeo2011_17Networks_MNI152_FreeSurferConformed1mm_LiberalMask.nii.gz
>>>>>> \
>>>>>>                             --temp
>>>>>> /path_to_analysis/Template_T1_IXI555_MNI152.nii \
>>>>>>                             --reg
>>>>>> $FREESURFER_HOME/average/mni152.register.dat \
>>>>>>                             --o /path_to_analysis/output_mni152.nii
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which resulted in image full of zeros (so maybe problem with
>>>>>> registration?). The "Template_T1_IXI555_MNI152.nii" is the MNI152
>>>>>> template which is used by Computational anatomical toolbox 12 for SPM
>>>>>> from Christian Gaser and his group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance for any suggestions,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matyas
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>>> Message: 10
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 02:45:47 -0500
>>> From: Ajay Kurani <dr.ajay.kur...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Multiple Comparison Question for
>>> surface-basedanalyses
>>> To: Freesurfer support list <freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu>
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>>> Hi Doug,
>>>    Thank you very much for your update regarding this issue.
>>>
>>> 1)Just curious, will LGI be included in this report as this is another
>>> analysis of interest?
>>>
>>> 2)As for the cortical thickness I originally used 15mm in the analysis so
>>> based on your email I think using 5-10mm may be more prudent in order to
>>> minimize FPR.  From your email, I understand that mris_surf2surf
>>> (command I
>>> use to convert individual subject to fsaverage or template and smooth to
>>> 10-15mm) assumes an ACF estimation of smoothness which DOES NOT take into
>>> account the long tail distribution.  Does this mean that when using
>>> mri_mcsim on my own template, the cluster extents for a given smoothness
>>> will be undersampled due to the fact that the "true" smoothness is more
>>> than what is estimated in the simulation, correct?  For instance, when I
>>> select 15mm in qdec, it would point to the 21mm folder (fwhm.dat=20.8mm
>>> estimate), and I would select a given cluster extent for p=0.05.
>>>   However,
>>> in this case, 15mm may translate to a larger FWHM than the estimated
>>> 21mm,
>>> correct?
>>>
>>> 3)You mentioned that I can use mri_glmfit-sim which is permutation
>>> testing
>>> based.  I am struggling a bit in understanding how this differs from the
>>> simulation ran with mri_mcsim/qdec?  Does qdec monte carlo simulation
>>> option run mri_glmfit-sim in the background to estimate the smoothness
>>> which looks up the cluster extent within the mri_mcsim based on the
>>> estimated FWHM?  If so, is this estimate incorrect due to the fact
>>> that the
>>> long tails are not taken into account?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ajay
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 11:43 PM, Ajay Kurani <dr.ajay.kur...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Freesurfer Experts,
>>>>    Recently there were two article published regarding clusterwise
>>>> simulations for volumetric fmri analyses and potential errors for
>>>> underestimating clusterwise extent thresholds.
>>>>
>>>> 1) http://www.pnas.org/content/113/28/7900.full.pdf?with-ds=yes
>>>> 2) biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/07/26/065862
>>>>
>>>> One issue pointed out from these articles seems software specific,
>>>> however
>>>> the second issue is determining the proper clustersize.  The heavy-tail
>>>> nature of spatial smoothness seems to be ignored and a gaussian shape is
>>>> generally assumed, leading to an underestimation of the spatial
>>>> smoothness
>>>> which can affect cluster size calculations.  The issues are
>>>> highlighted in
>>>> the second article above.
>>>>
>>>> I created my own monte carlo simulation in Freesurfer for a specific
>>>> brain
>>>> template and I wanted to find out if these concerns also apply to my
>>>> surface based simulations?  I am not sure if it does since the monte
>>>> carlo
>>>> tool is a GRF simulation as opposed to an analytic equation, however
>>>> given
>>>> that these articles were highlighted very recently, I wanted to
>>>> ensure I am
>>>> running things appropriately for surface based cortical thickness/dti
>>>> analyses.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ajay
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>>> Message: 11
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 10:00:18 +0000
>>> From: Caroline Beelen <caroline.bee...@kuleuven.be>
>>> Subject: [Freesurfer] mapping error
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>>> Dear FS,
>>>
>>> An aparc.annot ctab file was created but I got the following error:
>>> Colortable:aparc.annot.ctab
>>> Annotname: myaparc
>>> Nhitsfile nhits.mgh
>>> Nlabels 6
>>> Labeltresh 0 0.00000
>>> Loading freesurfer/fsaverage/surf/lh.orig
>>> 1 -1 not found
>>> 2 -1 not found
>>> 3 -1 not found
>>> Etc...
>>> Mapping unhit to unknown
>>> Found 132101 unhit vertices
>>> Writing annot to freesurfer/fsaverage/lh.myaparc.annot
>>>
>>> I guess my ctab file is incorrect? I included an example of a label
>>> with it.
>>>
>>> Thanks again for your help.
>>>
>>> Caroline
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