Am Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007 20:53:10 schrieb Thorsten Glaser:
> Ralph Passgang dixit:
> >I am not sure if you realize what a community project is about, thorsten.
> > But
>
> Up until now, I hacked on it and the others whine, and I haven't yet seen
> a technical reason to change it.

not every thing in life can be explained with a technical reason, but there is 
a social one... we are a group of people and we try to develop a linux distro 
and nothing else and it's is linux standard to have executable init.d 
scripts. also our users will expect that...

> >I can tell you what it is not about. it is not about shrugging with the
> >shoulders
>
> I am working on totally different things in parallel.

who doesn't? maybe not in the freewrt project right now but in general 
everbody has to do multitasking all day long. but what did you want to 
explain me with that? I don't get that...

> >doing stuff even if it is obvious that everbody else
> >thinks that is a bad idea and doesn't agree.
>
> I was doing things the way I think they should be. Where should I know
> the opinions of the others from?

that's ok,... but as soon as you noticed that it is seems to be the majority 
of developers who wanted to remove the executable bit from the scripts you 
just said: "hmmm, ask waldemar, I will not change that back". But you "broke" 
it, so why should another clean up for you? sorry, but that's a bit unsocial 
to the others, don't you think?

> >Everything that doesn't work like on a normal linux box
>
> I don't use Linux. Don't expect me to know what you expect to have.

please read the first sentence of the freewrt.org homepage:

"FreeWRT is a meta GNU/Linux distribution for embedded systems."

I have to work with suse boxes and windows desktops two days the week and 
doesn't like that too much as you can image, ah and for example tomorrow I 
have to take care about apple desktops and servers which I don't really 
know.But I don't go around and tell everbody, that I hate it and will not try 
to adapt at all... Ask mother nature, because it's a veeeery old law by 
nature that only those of us will survive that can adapt and evolve.

Furthermore, If you are working in a group you always have to find one line 
that all try to follow. if everybody does "his thing" it will just lead to 
confusion and disharmony until either all developers stop working on the 
project, because they are frustrated or you get stopped in an unpleasant way 
sooner or later. nobody want's one of those choices, that's why I am reacting 
on your irc statement so rough at all. "wehret den anfängen", :)

that's why there are coroporate policies and style guides for programmers. 
they are to help all the poeple to work together and not to punish one or 
another. so your "styleguide" is linux, at least as far as the user comes in 
touch with it :)

You don't do the freewrt development just in your spare time, so I think it's 
not rude to expect that you get used to linux more closely and try to make 
freewrt a good linux distro for all the small devices out there. freewrt is 
not just another ICHbsd.

> bye,
> //mirabile
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