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Yeah I know
An almost endless conversation (conversation rather than debate)
I am also too busy really, Well I should be
Thanks for your response
Yes Flotation tanks, Biofeedback, Hemi-Sync and holosych
As well as Hypnosis, Tai Chi and Reiki, Meditation etc etc
Are all tools to help us understand, but (yeah sorry about the but)
They are only tools, We ourselves have to do the work, And Modern Man is
pretty Lazy as a rule
Basically the paths that people choose have to be their own and they have to
learn the lessons for themselves
Each person will use a different set of tools or even the same tools, the
lessons they learn are both unique and universal,
Science is certainly responsible for a lot of good in the world,
But after all Life is merely an individuals perception
What the Nazis saw as good was not really regarded as such by a large number
of other people,
Though both would have argued their perspective on the issue. And both felt
wholly justified in their opinions.
Also it is a shame that Nietsche is mainly remebered for his eugenicist
theory
A very brilliant cousin of Charles Darwin, he is responsible for a lot of
breakthroughs and has his reputation tarnished by this
View being adopted by individuals as it suits their purpose.
Which seems to be the trend with Religion as well.
A personal thought
IT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU IN LIFE THAT IS IMPORTANT
IT IS HOW YOU DEAL WITH IT
We shall continue at some other point, as I am a wee bit busy
Love and blessings
Walk in peace
Neil C
=)
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From: Magna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 1:08 PM
To: multiple recipients of
Subject: Re: Long healthy life.
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I really enjoyed your response Neil. It gives me a much
better picture of
you.
I absolutely agree with what you are saying. Man needs to
turn in and unless
he does all his tinkering with the outside is very
dangerous. Never-the-less
I am still whole-heartedly in favor of the creation a better
man through
science. It just has to go hand in hand with awareness
increase and maybe it
will cause our awareness to increase - there are
technologies such as
brain-machines, floatation tanks, bio-feedback etc that give
us a lot of
help with this.
(Speaking of these technologies - I've been using something
called Holosych
for the last month and a half and it is really blowing my
mind. I used many
things over the years and this so far is the best I have
found - they also
have a great discussion board. The sales pitch is very
American but the
Tools really work.
www.centerpointe.com)
> Awareness can only come from understanding, and we need to
understand the
> animal aspect of our nature, that which fucks fights and
feeds
> Because it is a Very Very important part of our nature and
who we are, I
> personally feel that as Humans we owe it to our selves to
understand our
> Animal instincts, as well as our Higher Selves. Most
people allow the
> lesser, Animal part to run their lives.
Yes indeed.
I could talk for hours but unfortunately have a deadline
today and MUST put
some focus on it.
Magna
----- Original Message -----
From: Connolly, Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: Long healthy life.
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> Cool
> Nice one Magna
> Yep I do certainly agree with some of the comments you
have replied with
> Intelligence is also a moot point and the definition of
which is almost
the
> whole reason for my first reply.
> As you say intelligence is Awareness, Awareness of our
needs , others
needs
> and our environment
> Man as a rule is Aware of what he, on a personal basis
needs, well
actually
> what he wants, Man also
> seems to always want more than he needs.
> Awareness can only come from understanding, and we need to
understand the
> animal aspect of our nature, that which fucks fights and
feeds
> Because it is a Very Very important part of our nature and
who we are, I
> personally feel that as Humans we owe it to our selves to
understand our
> Animal instincts, as well as our Higher Selves. Most
people allow the
> lesser, Animal part to run their lives.
> Also Knowledge itself is irrelevant almost as without
UNDERSTANDING it is
> worthless.
> I think man would be better placed in trying to understand
his existence
> rathe than accumulate the knowledge without the
understanding
> , A knowledgable man is never Wise.
> I don't see genetic science as developing our
intelligence,, we will still
> have the same thought processes, It would probably only
increase our
feeling
> of Superiority which is one of our downfalls currently.
> Even if science developed a method for increasing
awareness both psychic
and
> empathic, People would still abuse them, which is why
Spiritual paths are
so
> hard for so many.
> If we don't earn our existence we don't value it, Well 90%
of the
population
> anyway.
> Even if we where to advance ourselves to a much higher
state of being
> scientifically, not that much would change, Man would
still keep on going
> trying to improve as it sees it, He will never be happy
because he cannot
> ACCEpt things the way they are, He cannot accept himself
the way he is.
> Personally I believ we are Perfect the way we are, The
only thing that a
lot
> of us can change is our Perception of who we are and how
we live our
lives.
> We are all individuals yet still connected, this
individuality , ie, sense
> of self is that which keeps people closed and fighting and
scared.
> Because people don't reaslise the connections that are
inherent in
> everything.
> If they could change their perceptions to realise t both
their
> seperateness and connection they would find it a lot
harder to do the
Mean,
> Cruel and self gain
> Processes that we are all currently involved in.
> Evolution is currently accelerating, which is why we have
such an interest
> in NEW AGE crap,
> Evolution works at a rate which is accelerating and has
been since the
> beginning of the concept.
> What the hell are we in such a rush for anyway
> Man will get to the end, and then probably realise that
the destination
was
> unimportant, as the Journey is the only part of it which
counts,
> For that is where the experience of living applies. And we
all owe it to
our
> selves to experience Life, for all its joys and heartaches
and pain and
> suffering,
> For that is its true beauty. The more we rush the less we
experience.
> Oops off on a bit of a ramble
> Doh
> PS Man also includes Woman , I have mainly used a male
perspective for
that
> is the one that works best for me.
>
> Live in Peace and Balance
> Neil C
> =)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Magna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:11 AM
> To: multiple recipients of
> Subject: Re: Long healthy life.
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> Hi Neil,
>
> I enjoyed your comments. I have some comments.
>
> > Humans are meant to be the most intelligent animals on
the
> planet,
> > Yet we are the most destructive, We are meant to be at
the
> top of the food
> > chain, No predators
>
> We may well be the most intelligent on the planet. In the
> universe for all I
> know, but the fact we have war, famine, potential
population
> boom, etc etc
> and for the most part people are living miserable lives
full
> of fear,
> repression etc says to me we are NOT intelligent enough
and
> at our current
> levels of intelligence we are gonna kill ourselves.
> I would like to clarify what intelligence means to me - as
> well as the
> ability to have greater cognitive abilities - it also
> includes awareness,
> perception and understanding.
>
> > Genetics is our way of improving ourselves, We are
already
> Perfect, there
> is
> > a reason we are the
> > Way we are. We would be a lot better off accepting this
> and then trying to
> > improve our quality of life
> > And the lives of those around us.
>
> Ummm - this is a tricky one. In one sense we are perfect,
> you are right.
> However so were the one-celled creatures that were living
in
> the primordial
> soup 'perfect'. We are an evolving process. We also a
point
> where we can
> start to direct and possibly accelerate that evolution. In
> order for us to
> be able to improve our quality of life and that of those
> around us we need
> more awareness. Anything that can aid us to increase this
I
> am all for. Be
> it meditation, neurotechnologies, genetics, drugs,
whatever.
> We need to move
> fast. People are not, from what I see, just gonna suddenly
> see their inate
> perfection and start living harmoniously. Technologies,
such
> as genetics,
> offer a possibility for creating a more intelligent human
> being who is
> capable of living more harmoniously. Extended lifespan
would
> make people
> think a little more about the mess they are creating now -
> cause its gonna
> be them that has to live with the consequences.
>
> > That will lead to even more destructive technologies,
> beacause the Animal
> > aspect of Man has been abused.
> > What other animals are as destructive as we are for its
> own sake.
> > Do you think that lesser animals also wish for greater
> things, no they
> > ACCEPT what they have and make the most of it,
>
> I disagree. We are not a lesser animal anymore -
blissfully
> accepting what
> we are without question. We evolved this ability to
> self-reflect, to
> manipulate time, to compare, to judge etc etc. We cannot
go
> back to the
> stage in evolution we were at before this. We can only
move
> forward. To get
> to the stage where we can be in the here and now,
accepting
> the way it is
> with AWARENESS (which the animals do not have) requires
all
> the help we can
> get.
>
> > Why can we not accept ourselves and our environment the
> way it is, and
> learn
> > to live in tune with it and each other.
>
> Bloody good question!! Searching for the answer to this
one
> has led me to
> some strange places.
>
> > To be honest I feel the reason is Fear, people are
afraid
> to let go.
>
> I agree.
>
> Good hearing from you Neil.
>
> Magna
>
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