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I really enjoyed your response Neil. It gives me a much better picture of
you.
I absolutely agree with what you are saying. Man needs to turn in and unless
he does all his tinkering with the outside is very dangerous. Never-the-less
I am still whole-heartedly in favor of the creation a better man through
science. It just has to go hand in hand with awareness increase and maybe it
will cause our awareness to increase - there are technologies such as
brain-machines, floatation tanks, bio-feedback etc that give us a lot of
help with this.
(Speaking of these technologies - I've been using something called Holosych
for the last month and a half and it is really blowing my mind. I used many
things over the years and this so far is the best I have found - they also
have a great discussion board. The sales pitch is very American but the
Tools really work.
www.centerpointe.com)
> Awareness can only come from understanding, and we need to understand the
> animal aspect of our nature, that which fucks fights and feeds
> Because it is a Very Very important part of our nature and who we are, I
> personally feel that as Humans we owe it to our selves to understand our
> Animal instincts, as well as our Higher Selves. Most people allow the
> lesser, Animal part to run their lives.
Yes indeed.
I could talk for hours but unfortunately have a deadline today and MUST put
some focus on it.
Magna
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From: Connolly, Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: Long healthy life.
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> Cool
> Nice one Magna
> Yep I do certainly agree with some of the comments you have replied with
> Intelligence is also a moot point and the definition of which is almost
the
> whole reason for my first reply.
> As you say intelligence is Awareness, Awareness of our needs , others
needs
> and our environment
> Man as a rule is Aware of what he, on a personal basis needs, well
actually
> what he wants, Man also
> seems to always want more than he needs.
> Awareness can only come from understanding, and we need to understand the
> animal aspect of our nature, that which fucks fights and feeds
> Because it is a Very Very important part of our nature and who we are, I
> personally feel that as Humans we owe it to our selves to understand our
> Animal instincts, as well as our Higher Selves. Most people allow the
> lesser, Animal part to run their lives.
> Also Knowledge itself is irrelevant almost as without UNDERSTANDING it is
> worthless.
> I think man would be better placed in trying to understand his existence
> rathe than accumulate the knowledge without the understanding
> , A knowledgable man is never Wise.
> I don't see genetic science as developing our intelligence,, we will still
> have the same thought processes, It would probably only increase our
feeling
> of Superiority which is one of our downfalls currently.
> Even if science developed a method for increasing awareness both psychic
and
> empathic, People would still abuse them, which is why Spiritual paths are
so
> hard for so many.
> If we don't earn our existence we don't value it, Well 90% of the
population
> anyway.
> Even if we where to advance ourselves to a much higher state of being
> scientifically, not that much would change, Man would still keep on going
> trying to improve as it sees it, He will never be happy because he cannot
> ACCEpt things the way they are, He cannot accept himself the way he is.
> Personally I believ we are Perfect the way we are, The only thing that a
lot
> of us can change is our Perception of who we are and how we live our
lives.
> We are all individuals yet still connected, this individuality , ie, sense
> of self is that which keeps people closed and fighting and scared.
> Because people don't reaslise the connections that are inherent in
> everything.
> If they could change their perceptions to realise t both their
> seperateness and connection they would find it a lot harder to do the
Mean,
> Cruel and self gain
> Processes that we are all currently involved in.
> Evolution is currently accelerating, which is why we have such an interest
> in NEW AGE crap,
> Evolution works at a rate which is accelerating and has been since the
> beginning of the concept.
> What the hell are we in such a rush for anyway
> Man will get to the end, and then probably realise that the destination
was
> unimportant, as the Journey is the only part of it which counts,
> For that is where the experience of living applies. And we all owe it to
our
> selves to experience Life, for all its joys and heartaches and pain and
> suffering,
> For that is its true beauty. The more we rush the less we experience.
> Oops off on a bit of a ramble
> Doh
> PS Man also includes Woman , I have mainly used a male perspective for
that
> is the one that works best for me.
>
> Live in Peace and Balance
> Neil C
> =)
>
>
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> From: Magna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 1999 11:11 AM
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> Subject: Re: Long healthy life.
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> Hi Neil,
>
> I enjoyed your comments. I have some comments.
>
> > Humans are meant to be the most intelligent animals on the
> planet,
> > Yet we are the most destructive, We are meant to be at the
> top of the food
> > chain, No predators
>
> We may well be the most intelligent on the planet. In the
> universe for all I
> know, but the fact we have war, famine, potential population
> boom, etc etc
> and for the most part people are living miserable lives full
> of fear,
> repression etc says to me we are NOT intelligent enough and
> at our current
> levels of intelligence we are gonna kill ourselves.
> I would like to clarify what intelligence means to me - as
> well as the
> ability to have greater cognitive abilities - it also
> includes awareness,
> perception and understanding.
>
> > Genetics is our way of improving ourselves, We are already
> Perfect, there
> is
> > a reason we are the
> > Way we are. We would be a lot better off accepting this
> and then trying to
> > improve our quality of life
> > And the lives of those around us.
>
> Ummm - this is a tricky one. In one sense we are perfect,
> you are right.
> However so were the one-celled creatures that were living in
> the primordial
> soup 'perfect'. We are an evolving process. We also a point
> where we can
> start to direct and possibly accelerate that evolution. In
> order for us to
> be able to improve our quality of life and that of those
> around us we need
> more awareness. Anything that can aid us to increase this I
> am all for. Be
> it meditation, neurotechnologies, genetics, drugs, whatever.
> We need to move
> fast. People are not, from what I see, just gonna suddenly
> see their inate
> perfection and start living harmoniously. Technologies, such
> as genetics,
> offer a possibility for creating a more intelligent human
> being who is
> capable of living more harmoniously. Extended lifespan would
> make people
> think a little more about the mess they are creating now -
> cause its gonna
> be them that has to live with the consequences.
>
> > That will lead to even more destructive technologies,
> beacause the Animal
> > aspect of Man has been abused.
> > What other animals are as destructive as we are for its
> own sake.
> > Do you think that lesser animals also wish for greater
> things, no they
> > ACCEPT what they have and make the most of it,
>
> I disagree. We are not a lesser animal anymore - blissfully
> accepting what
> we are without question. We evolved this ability to
> self-reflect, to
> manipulate time, to compare, to judge etc etc. We cannot go
> back to the
> stage in evolution we were at before this. We can only move
> forward. To get
> to the stage where we can be in the here and now, accepting
> the way it is
> with AWARENESS (which the animals do not have) requires all
> the help we can
> get.
>
> > Why can we not accept ourselves and our environment the
> way it is, and
> learn
> > to live in tune with it and each other.
>
> Bloody good question!! Searching for the answer to this one
> has led me to
> some strange places.
>
> > To be honest I feel the reason is Fear, people are afraid
> to let go.
>
> I agree.
>
> Good hearing from you Neil.
>
> Magna
>
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