I have never understood the idea that animals are not self conscious in some useful sense. Heck, self consciousness is a necessary part of any feed forward system, isnt it?
As for the active role of the organism in Darwinism, I agree that the role of para-genetic inheritance systems is becoming more and more evident every day and that NeoDarwinism has been slow to adjust. If Carl would only get busy on his artificial epigenisis idea. Nick Nicholas Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson > [Original Message] > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <friam@redfish.com> > Date: 6/24/2006 12:00:30 PM > Subject: Friam Digest, Vol 36, Issue 34 > > Send Friam mailing list submissions to > friam@redfish.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Friam digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Friday, 30 June (Nicholas Thompson) > 2. Re: Friday, 30 June (Tom Johnson) > 3. Re: Sensor networks and self-organization (Phil Henshaw) > 4. String-bashing (Robert Holmes) > 5. Re: String-bashing (Martin C. Martin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:50:55 -0400 > From: "Nicholas Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [FRIAM] Friday, 30 June > To: Friam@redfish.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, > > Will anybody be in Santa Fe for 30 June's Friam Meeting? And where does that meeting occur these days. > > Nick > > > Nicholas Thompson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20060623/519745a6/attachment-0001.h tml > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:22:34 -0600 > From: "Tom Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Friday, 30 June > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "The Friday Morning Applied > Complexity Coffee Group" <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Good ol' St. Johns. Looking forward to your visit. > -t > > On 6/23/06, Nicholas Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Will anybody be in Santa Fe for 30 June's Friam Meeting? And where does > > that meeting occur these days. > > > > Nick > > > > > > Nicholas Thompson > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enicktho mpson> > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > -- > ========================================== > J. T. Johnson > Institute for Analytic Journalism -- Santa Fe, NM USA > www.analyticjournalism.com > 505.577.6482(c) 505.473.9646(h) > http://www.jtjohnson.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. > To change something, build a new model that makes the > existing model obsolete." > -- Buckminster Fuller > ========================================== > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20060623/80bfc94b/attachment-0001.h tml > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:13:52 -0400 > From: "Phil Henshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sensor networks and self-organization > To: "'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group'" > <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > My guess it won't happen that soon. The major hurdle I see is > intelligence doesn't come from passively conforming to an imposed > landscape (Darwin's idea), but from creatively exploring discovered ones > (the living systems idea). ...I think maybe we're making great > progress, but sort of need to start over with our design principle > reversed! > > > Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.???? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 680 Ft. Washington Ave > NY NY 10040 > tel: 212-795-4844 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > explorations: www.synapse9.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm > > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:37 AM > > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sensor networks and self-organization > > > > > > > > Intelligence is a very fuzzy and cloudy concept. My guess > > it that the first machines with human-like intelligence > > and self-consciousness are not far away, 10-20 years > > perhaps (see the bets at http://www.longbets.org/1 or > > http://www.longbets.org/15). This will > certainly be a > > major > > breakthrough - the next big evolutionary transition. > > I personally think it is easier to build intelligent > > agents in virtual worlds than robots in real worlds, > > and I would expect the breakthrough here in the virtual > > world. For the "secret of true AI", see the discussion at > http://tinyurl.com/j4qck or http://tinyurl.com/k88wd > > -J. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Phil Henshaw > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 2:43 AM > To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Sensor networks and self-organization > > Yea, how far away would anyone guess it is to the invention of the first > 'intelligent' machine? Do you think it's a matter of one or many > missing discoveries, or just applying current knowledge in a more > complex way? > > > Phil Henshaw ????.?? ? `?.???? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 680 Ft. Washington Ave > NY NY 10040 > tel: 212-795-4844 > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > explorations: www.synapse9.com > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:07:44 -0600 > From: "Robert Holmes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [FRIAM] String-bashing > To: FRIAM <Friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Here's a fun string-bashing article: > http://www.nwfdailynews.com/articleArchive/jun2006/notevenwrong.php > > It makes a couple of serious points though. What I found worrying was the > claim (for which the author provides some limited evidence) that it is now > impossible to get on in physics academia unless you drink the string theory > kool-aid. Whither (or should that be wither) academic freeedom? > > Robert > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: /pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20060624/de3d058a/attachment-0001.h tml > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:46:06 -0400 > From: "Martin C. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] String-bashing > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <friam@redfish.com> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Robert Holmes wrote: > > What I found worrying was > > the claim (for which the author provides some limited evidence) that it > > is now impossible to get on in physics academia unless you drink the > > string theory kool-aid. Whither (or should that be wither) academic > > freeedom? > > This is a normal dynamic in science, first identified (in the popular > mind) in Thomas Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions." > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0226458083 > > The interesting question to me is what will cause the next crisis, and when. > > - Martin > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Friam mailing list > Friam@redfish.com > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > End of Friam Digest, Vol 36, Issue 34 > ************************************* ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
