Owen, To revise my reply on little nukes, saying they are better than the others, but asking if you used 'the forumula'. I might mention what formula I meant. The formula is $1=8000btu. This is a curious complex system fact of enormous significance. What it means, and what I meant to allude to with my quip, was that because $'s measure physical things and their physical impacts, finding a new niche resource does not solve the problem of multiplying impacts all over. Say a little nuke plant has a little less waste. If you increase them exponentially you'll still have exponentially increasing waste. You'll also have exponentially increasing impacts of all the uses that people put the energy produced to. If you look at the whole impact of things you get a better picture than just considering the parts. That's the intent of my $shadow measure, which I again ref below.
Phil Henshaw ¸¸¸¸.·´ ¯ `·.¸¸¸¸ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 680 Ft. Washington Ave NY NY 10040 tel: 212-795-4844 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] explorations: www.synapse9.com reposted.. The embodied energy of $1 is about 8000btu's*, consistently in all the economies. That means that as an economic product, dollars are a direct measure of energy use. That simply means that growth in dollars is a direct measure of exponentially growing impacts of exploiting the earth for energy, in nearly direct constant proportion. Of the three main energy sources, fossil, nuclear, and competition for land, which would you recommend for providing exponential increases of energy forever, without consequences? Think about it. That's different than the story we've been hearing from the masters of magic all these years, as we pulled the whole construction of our civilization out of a magic hole in the ground. It turns out the world is what it appears to be, a small blue ball, with a growth compulsion that *all* the great promoters promised would be free, forever, and that turns out to be wrong. *- http://www.synapse9.com/design/dollarshadow.htm see DOE & other ref's > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:33 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Edge: The Need for Heretics > > > On Aug 11, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Phil Henshaw wrote: > > > ... > > Of the three main energy sources, fossil, nuclear, and > competition for > > land, which would you recommend for providing exponential > increases of > > energy forever, without consequences? > > I'm a (modified) nuke kinda guy. > > By modified, I mean the new sub-critical nuclear reactors which use > accelerator technologies to create a dual energy reactor. > The safety > is obvious: if either device fails, the total system simply goes sub- > critical. But the wonderful gain is that they use "spent" reactor > wastes to considerably increase their yield, thus emptying the > caverns full of nuclear waste. > http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf35.html > http://www.world-nuclear.org/sym/1999/venneri.htm > Heck, you can even get a book on it on amazon! > http://tinyurl.com/25nztp > > But the trouble is that most folks are terrified of the word > Nuclear. (George can't even say it!) But its possibly the most > useful of our current high tech energy systems. And the US could be > a technology leader in the field if we'd just try. But I > think Italy > is getting their first, followed by France. > > Naturally there needs to be a LOT of diversity in energy > production. > But sub critical systems offer a lot if we can rid ourselves of the > political correct disease. > > -- Owen > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
