Occam must be holding his head.

-- Russ

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Robert Howard 
<[email protected]>wrote:

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> Particle decay is easy to explain if you assume a multiverse. And when you
> do, the “free will” disappears.
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> A multiverse theory today is difficult to swallow for the same reasons that
> the heliocentric theory, evolution, and relativity were difficult to
> swallow:
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> (1)     We haven’t evolved to sense these theories in action. We don’t
> sense the Earth moving, species evolving, space warping, or time dilating.
> We have to use our minds.
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> (2)     These theories diminish our ego’s desire to feel unique and
> special. We’re NOT the center of the universe. We’re NOT so different than
> other animals. We HAVEN’T been here forever.
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> (3)     Such large numbers make us feel small. A few heavenly bodies vs.
> 10e21stars in the visible universe. 6000 years old vs. 14 billion years. 100
> types of animals on the Arc vs. millions.
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> In a multiverse, we cannot sense the OTHER copies of ourselves in other
> parallel universe. We cannot sense our bodies and consciousness splitting
> each time any quantum particle splits into a finite set of states. If it
> WERE true, then we’d not be very special. Having 10e80 elementary particles
> in the universe is quite a big number. Now raise that to the power 10e60
> Planck time units since the universe began, and raise it again to the
> average number of states each particle can have, and we end up with numbers
> far beyond our comfort zone. Interesting though, we seem to be more
> comfortable with an “infinite” number of family of curves generated by f(x)
> = c * x than we do with a large, but finite number of curves generated by
> the grand equation of the universe.
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> But many people do have the ability to make a hypothetical assumption.
> Suppose our conscious bodies do split with the universe every time any
> particle changes state. The multiverse theory says that if a particle CAN
> switch to N possible “next” states, then the particle DOES switch to ALL
> those states simultaneously – each in its unique universe, which then
> resembles a big static deterministic probability decision 
> tree<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_Trees>.
> There’s a Pauli-exclusion-like principle here where no two universes can
> have the same exact total state.
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> So suppose we are at time T0 in the diagram below observing an elementary
> particle. It can decay or not decay. In the multiverse, it does both. We at
> T1 in universe (a) say, “Hmm, why did it ‘choose’ to decay this time?” Our
> counterparts in T1 universe (b) say “Hmm, why didn’t ‘choose’ to decay this
> time?” Both equally confused because neither see the other part of the
> elephant. Once a particle decays, it pretty much stays that way forever so
> our observation experiment is deemed “done”. It’s only when it doesn’t decay
> that we continue observing.
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> Assuming we’re the only ones in a single universe (because we “feel” it so)
> leads to a paradox. We never understand why particles decay? We project
> “intelligence” and “free will” and “choice” into these particles just like
> we projected “femininity” into Luna before we understood astrophysics.
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> But when we make the leap of faith and, with our minds, step out of all the
> universes looking in on them all at once; only then do the particles becomes
> predictable, mundane deterministic machines that splits every M Planck time
> units. The bigger the M; the long the half-life!
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> Notice that this diagram easily predicts that we would observe an
> unpredictable decay at any point in time, but statistically observe an
> exponential decay with a half-life over any length of time. The half-life is
> equal to the length of any one arrow.
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> One big problem I have with my own hypothesis is that it leads us to think
> that each particle might have some type of counter inside it that, like an
> alarm clock, that ticks up to some amount of time and then splits. But there
> are other ways to resolve this… (later).
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>
> Robert Howard
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> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On
> Behalf Of *Nicholas Thompson
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:55 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] particles have free will
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> This is the sort of thing that drives behaviorists to be tower murderers.
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> *"It asserts, roughly, that if indeed we humans have free will, then
> elementary particles already have their own small share of this valuable
> commodity."*
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> First, what kind of a syllogism is this?
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> Second, valuable to whom?  For what?
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> Third, assertions of free will in anything .... even humans --are not
> consistant with materialism.  Materialism is the doctrine that everything
> that is real consists of matter *and its relations.    *
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> Beyond materialism is only madness.
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> Free will is just a legal doctrine that allows us to kill people when they
> do something we dont like.
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> Nick
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> Nicholas S. Thompson
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> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
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> Clark University ([email protected])
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> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
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>  ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Robert Holmes <[email protected]>
>
> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group<[email protected]>
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> *Sent:* 4/18/2009 8:28:20 AM
>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] particles have free will
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> According to Conway (Game of Life inventor), particles have free-will. See
> http://kk.org/ct2/2009/03/particles-have-free-will.php for a summary and
> http://www.ams.org/notices/200902/rtx090200226p.pdf for the paper.
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> Seems that every time I turn Netlogo off, I'm committing murder....
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> Robert
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