Did you guys read the same op-ed piece that I read? It's about revitalizing higher education as a complex adaptive network. It's about how specialization doesn't work for today's world. It's about how irrelevant and boring higher education has become. And all you guys can talk about is JOBS and MONEY. I guess most of you are somehow connected to the privileged, but sadly constrained world of academia. Come out into the fresh air where the work is always exciting, and the money is just enough to sustain the excitement.

Merle Lefkoff
oops--Ph.D.



Pamela McCorduck wrote:
My impression of the op-ed piece was that it was mostly about the humanities, where I'm sorry to say the numbers are correct: many graduate students spend six to eight years on the worst of the trivium, pile up debt, and face a labor market that has nearly no jobs for them. There's nearly no support, and one reason they take so long is because they're expected to teach a heavy course load. My Spanish tutor is a good example, although if his dissertation can be pushed by a certain meddling tutee to get bigger and more comprehensive than he first envisioned it, he may--well, who knows? Whereas in the sciences and engineering schools, students expect to spend no more than four years getting a Ph.D., and can be confident of finding a position when they get out. The major universities offer them support, which makes their debts if not nonexistent, certainly less onerous.

Please don't mistake this for an argument against the humanities. A university without the humanities would be a sorry thing indeed. But I agree with the writer that the model needs some drastic changes.

George is right to argue that a university owes it to its students to support their highest aspirations. But this needs to be tempered with some realism, and the reality is above.

Pamela



On Apr 27, 2009, at 9:03 PM, Russ Abbott wrote:

I doubt that any working person would happily agree to term employment if it implies that after N years the employer has no obligation, legal or moral, to retain that individual. It puts most people, especially those over 50, in a very precarious position. How many of the people on this list would like to have their term up this month and face the prospect of looking for a job in the current environment? Employment is a relationship between employee and employer that generally goes beyond term contracts. I don't think that reducing it to something as limited as that is a good idea.

-- Russ


On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:35 PM, George Duncan <gtdun...@gmail.com <mailto:gtdun...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Based on my experience at Carnegie Mellon for 34 years, I can
    agree with many of the recommendations. In particular, I see
    merit in replacing tenure with term contracts, emphasizing
    interdisciplinary programs with a problem focus, more sharing of
    teaching across institutions, and providing alternatives to the
    traditional thesis.
However, I see no way that any of these will ever come about
    through regulation (does he really think that the federal
    government could take this on?),
Some of these will perhaps come about through internal moves by
    various universities. For example, Carnegie Mellon which is
    perhaps the most flexible university in responding to a changing
    environment, does have a remarkable array of interdisciplinary
    programs and emphasizes opportunities for doctoral students to
    cross departmental boundaries. It still has tenure, and I have
    thought for decades that the impetus for change there come from
    state legislatures that would abolish it in their state
    universities. But despite periodic noises it hasn't happened,
    perhaps never will. The moves by various universities like MIT,
    Stanford and Carnegie Mellon towards more on-line courses and
    expanding their availability, will think over time lead to more
    sharing of teaching resources. Why should a dozen universities
    offer advanced PhD courses in say Galois fields each with three
    students, when one could do it with 36 students and the best
    teacher of the topic? Why should every undergraduate institution
    want a high-level professor of physics, when they can import a
    course with the top lecturer in the country and provide the
    personal interaction with students through lecturers who care
    about students and earn perhaps $40K a year? Some universities do
    already provide alternatives of varying sorts to a traditional
    thesis, especially in more professionally oriented doctoral
    programs, such as those in social work or education.
I cannot agree with the negative tone of the article about
    preparing for the academic life. If a person is successful at it,
    academia provides a remarkably fulfilling career. Name another
    profession where you mostly get to do what you want to do, work
    in a pretty pleasant envirionment with intelligent colleagues and
    students to chat with, and if you are a full professor at
    Columbia you make a pretty decent salary. So not all who aspire,
    make it. What percentage of Carnegie Mellon's drama graduates
    make it to Broadway or Hollywood? What percentage of graduates of
    art school ever sell a painting? The responsibility, I think, is
    for schools to do the best job they can to support the student's
    highest aspirations while at the same time providing a decent
    education for fallback positions.
Last of all, the piece neglects the fact that most graduate
    students are not PhD students but instead are enrolled in
    professional degree programs. They can have their problems too
    but at least they have to be fairly directly responsive to a
    market--most are paying some $50K in tuition plus the opportunity
    costs of non-employment.

    On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Nicholas Thompson
    <nickthomp...@earthlink.net <mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>>
    wrote:

        I think everybody who thinks about higher education ought to
        have a look at this article, not because it is necessarily
        correct but because it suggests great opportunities for
        institutions -- such as the "City University of Santa Fe" or
        Clark University -- which by reason of their small size could
        re-organize quickly to respond to these realities.
I have to admit that I am ambivalent about tenure. If, over
        the last 40 years, tenure  had seemed to foster intellectual
        courage and a willingness to speak one's mind and invest long
        term in the institute, then I would continue to favor it
        unequivocally.  But since the onset of Academic Reaganism,
        tenure  seems only to meant that most faculty members have
        allowed themselves to be manipulated by ever more trivial
        incentives -- the merit raise or the honorific reception with
        bad wine, stale cheese and crackers.  Time to read Fromm's
ESCAPE FROM FREEDOM again, i fear. And I have to deplore the implication that the only way you
        get people to pull their weight is by threatening them with
        financial sanction.  On the contrary, the entire faculty of
        Clark University was subjected to bad pay for all the years I
worked there, and it never changed anybody's behavior. No. I think the failure has been in our unwillingness to speak
        directly and from the heart and in person to colleagues about
        what we need from them.  True collaboration requires honest
        critique in the absence of power;  what we have had, over the
        last four decades, is the application of power in the absence
of honest critique. n Nicholas S. Thompson
        Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology,
        Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu
        <mailto:nthomp...@clarku.edu>)
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