But by your own definition, an emergent property requires correlated
feedback in the system
supression is as likely to emerge as leadership, and thus we revert to
the question in earlier conversations about the value systems of the
observer fabricating the label of emergent or not. Right?
Or, seconding Dr B, am I just not used to your terminology?
Certainly am enjoying this.
Tory
On Apr 10, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Ted Carmichael wrote:
Comments below...
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Vladimyr Ivan Burachynsky <vbur...@shaw.ca
> wrote:
Wow, wait a second,
If the object in motion has a group of followers I don't see
emergence,
Remoras follow sharks or any other moving object, there is no
dynamic social
system. My Wolfhounds follow rabbits, horses, snowmobiles, bicycles
etc at
very high speeds. If they were displayed on a radar screen you might
mistake
five wolfhounds as worshipful devotees of a single leader, running in
absolute terror. If they all came to a stop on the radar screen you
might
surmise the group fell into disarray as the result of a leadership
dispute.
Perhaps one might think there was a socially repressive regime at
work when
the blips resolved as five instead of six, and the pace slowed down.
Emergence is a tough concept. My understanding is, an emergent
property requires correlated feedback in the system. A pack of dogs
following a single rabbit, say - with the rabbit's actions
influencing the dogs, and the dogs' actions influencing each other -
may display emergent properties. For example, in an open, flat
field, the rabbit may be more likely to run in a straight line, with
individual dogs occasionally keeping the rabbit from diverging to
the left or the right. The straight line would be the emergent
property. The dogs are both trying to catch the rabbit and avoid
crashing into other dogs, producing a "flock" of dogs.
"Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Regardless of whether leaders act because of endogenous traits or a
circumstantial opening, they are indeed emergent throughout the
system.
In human systems, however, unlike flocks, over-determined structures
suppress this emergent property of the system. Rather than stepping
aside to allow emerging leaders to bring requisite variety to the
"flock", elite hierarchies/patriarchies suppress distributed
leadership
and generally prevail for long periods of time."
It looks like the first sign of legitimate "emergence" is the
Hierarchy that
perceives the front man as a leader and attempts later to suppress it,
whether it is a leader or not makes no difference. The act of
suppression
emerges complete based on its own belief system.
The belief system must have been in place prior to the flock being
created,
the leader was accidental (Circumstantial) but suppression is truly
emergent, or is it?
I'm not sure I would label 'suppression' as emergent. Depends on
exactly what you are referring to. Perhaps a better label is
"feedback?"
What's interesting about the leadership hierarchies, in human
systems, is that the structures themselves are an emergent
property. Persistent patterns, changing components. The leadership
hierarchy becomes a "basin of attraction," with it's own support
structures and correlated feedbacks, even as the people within the
hierarchy change over time.
-t
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