^Like On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Nicholas Thompson < nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I like the idea that wikileaks is a CIA plot. > > > > It screeches the mind to a halt. You can’t even trust your distrust > anymore. > > > > Nick > > > > *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On > Behalf Of *Paul Paryski > *Sent:* Monday, December 06, 2010 1:10 PM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate > Boycotts, etc. > > > > In my opinion, based on personal observation, the political and economic > system of the United States is quickly declining and darkly dystrophic as > has been the case with all "empires". The information provided by > WikiLeaks, although not at all surprising, and the reaction of the > government to WikiLeaks, only confirms my belief. WikiLeaks is providing a > needed view into the mindset of those who govern and the system they > represent. > > > > Sometimes it seems that humanity is self-organizing for self destruction. > > > > Long live WikiLeaks! > > > > cheers(?) Paul > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Roberts <d...@parrot-farm.net> > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:48 pm > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] WikiLeaks, US Gov't prohibition, Corporate Boycotts, > etc. > > I can't help but notice that the majority of our hard core FRIAM > pontificators have remained silent on this one. I wonder why: Could it be > that they're not not interested? The topic is not abstract enough? Afraid > that Big Brother will hear them? Weren't aware of WikiLeaks? > > > > Over on another one of my social networks I at least had one person > regurgitate the Government Spin Attempt of "so many people were put in > danger by having this information released", but the good news is that it > was immediately pointed out that the claim that the release of this > information has put people in danger has been debunked several times. The US > government knew the leak occurred several months before WikiLeaks published > the information. There was time to get personnel out of harm's way. It could > be said that the release itself (by Bradley Manning or whoever) did > potentially put people in danger, but WikiLeaks is not to blame for that. > > > > FRIAM's general majority silence on this is curious... > > > > --Doug > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote: > > Well, that's the issue, isn't it? The people in the government justify > secrecy by one standard and then use it for whatever they can get away with, > and you can get away with a lot if no one is ever allowed to see what you've > done. So they claim strenuously that exposing secrets will endanger people, > yet the exposed cables show them suppressing investigation of a mistaken > extraordinary rendition which put an innocent person in the hands of > torturers. > > > > http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/01/wikileaks-and-the-el.html > > > > Because "they" decided that it was better that the German car salesman just > take a few cattle prods in the nads for the freedom team rather than admit > that "they" might have made criminal mistakes by kidnapping a citizen of an > ally and whisking him off to Afganistan for information extraction. > > > > I watched Brazil again a month or two ago: it all starts with a swatted > fly mutating someone's name into someone else's name, and it ends with > tidying up all the loose ends that might interfere with the operation of an > essential government service. > > > > We've been through multiple reviews of the abuses of secrecy in this > country, and the net result is that the amount of stuff which is kept from > public eyes just keeps on growing. Got a check or balance on that trend? > > > > -- rec -- > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:04 AM, James Steiner <gregortr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Scholand, Andrew J <ajsc...@sandia.gov> > wrote: > > In February 2009 the State Department asked all US missions abroad to list > all installations whose loss could critically affect US national security. > > The list includes pipelines, communication and transport hubs. > > > > Well, considering the tendency to slap "national security" and "classified" > labels on everything, I'd expect the list also includes a fair number of > vending machine suppliers and escort services. > > > > Cynically, > > > > ~~James > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell
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