Well, it may come to pass that the only thing I have worth anythng will be my phone, so I'll put it in my wallet and lock it with my keys. For that matter, nothing will be ON my phone (hey, cloud), the phone's main (only) job is to negotiate protocols. So I don't need no steenking unified network. Just a loose bag of wires and spectrum. Let the phones (or whatever we will call them) figure out how to get packets from here to there. For some uses, maybe no phone at all; have your people talk to my people. The 'phone' is just a protocol droid (guess they can keep the name), a commodity, interchangable, just 'around'.

Do we REALLY believe that 20 years from now we're going to be worried about tv and sms on little devices we carry around on our person? That's fighting the last war.

Carl

On 1/10/12 9:31 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
Here's an interesting solution for a unified network in France. All services (voice, sms, tv, data) plus some new ideas (ID, banking):

     “In your pocket you have three things: your keys, your phone and
    your wallet,” he says. “I think of those three only one will
    remain: your phone.”

http://gigaom.com/2012/01/09/how-frances-free-will-reinvent-mobile/

On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Carl Tollander <c...@plektyx.com <mailto:c...@plektyx.com>> wrote:

    I'd actually like to see some sort of software radio thing,  but
    again, kittens.....

    What is the victory condition?  What is the problem we want to
    solve?   It seems its not really battery life....


    On 1/10/12 6:10 PM, Victoria Hughes wrote:
    What a great solution- the mesh network. Communal, reasonable,
    relying on interpersonal responsibility. How feasible is this
    actually? This model - what without knowing the jargon I'd call
    distributed or partnership effort, each person doing a small part
    of the task, and numbers making the big tasks happen - seems like
    one of those things that can be pulled off in small like-minded
    communities, or those with pre-existing need that hasn't been
    filled yet.  But not so likely in an area where those things
    don't exist. Sounds like something the Norwegians would do, or
    people in Portland, Oregon.
    Say more about how it could be set up? So many applications
    besides phone service.

    Tory


    On Jan 10, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote:

    Open source hardware and software can spread quickly to those
    who want it, and clearly companies that sell mobile phones do
    not want it. But there are enough smart people out there that
    communities could build the phones they want. So the issue is
    coverage. nG should be like WiFi - as open or closed as the
    owner of the hotspot wants, controllable, et cetera. As has been
    pointed out, a little weak on security, but nothing that cannot
    be fixed. The problem is that mobile devices move around more
    than the average computer, even including laptops. This is why
    cell towers have been built to cover wide areas, and of course
    companies need to be big enough to have enough money to build
    them. Big companies tend to not like 'open'. Communities might
    be able to raise enough money, but towers are unsightly and some
    people claim they cause health problems. So the answer might be
    mesh networks - chances are, a given mobile device is a lot
    closer to another device than the nearest tower, so signals do
    not have to have quite a strong amplitude. This means that
    people can provide each other with coverage, bypassing vendors.
    -Arlo
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