Nick, 
I have struggled with parts of this quite a bit. As you know, I am a 
somewhat-crazy Libertarian, and so get stuck in conversations like this on a 
fairly regular basis. In particular, I reject the idea that privacy is 
primarily about protecting people from shame or guilt. I believe that privacy 
(of a certain sort) is a basic right that is essential to a free society. Alas, 
it is difficult to explain why, as whenever I assert the right to not have 
certain information public, whomever is on the other side of the argument 
immediately tries to back me into a corner of being ashamed of whatever it is I 
want to keep private. There are a few things in my life I am indeed ashamed of, 
but very few, and I would probably tell most of them to anyone who asked. On 
the other hand, there are many things that I would like to keep private, and 
would probably not tell anyone who asked. How to explain the difference? 

The best I can say, I think, is that I see the right to (mostly) privacy as 
inextricably linked to the right to (mostly) self-determination. Whether people 
should have the latter right is certainly up for debate, but I think it has 
been a cornerstone of US culture through most of US history. At the least, it 
has been a cornerstone of our social myth structure (for sure if you were a 
white male, off and on for other groups). The idea that one could get a "fresh 
start" in America motivated many an immigrant... and part of getting a fresh 
start was people not knowing everything about you that those you were leaving 
knew. The mythic Old West was also largely based on such a principle. 

The ability to control (to some extent) what people know about you is often key 
to achieving goals (or at least it seems that way). Imagine for example, the 
otherwise charismatic man with "a face made for radio." He might or might not 
be ashamed of his looks, but either way he has an interest in keeping his face 
(mostly) private until his career is sufficiently established. To put it in a 
more Victorian tone: There are certain things, we need not say which, that I am 
not ashamed of, and yet it would be inconvenient if they came out. Of those 
things we shan't speak, and it should be my prerogative to protect them as I 
see fit against the inquiries of others. 

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To complicate your inquiry, one of the big legal issues in the fight you see 
brewing is this: Most of the new slush of public information you are concerned 
with is put out their voluntarily . The GPS in your phone turns on and off (and 
if not, you could get a different phone). Your posts, emails, blog entries, 
online photos, etc. are all being made public intentionally. Those software and 
website user agreements few ever reads often include consents to use your data 
in various ways, including making parts public. 

The old ideas of stalking, I think, mostly involved the accumulation of data 
against the will of the "victim", and could potentially include the gathering 
of both private and technically public information (i.e., court records). I 
don't know how you could make a legal case against someone who only knew things 
about you that you intentionally threw out into the world for the purpose of 
people knowing it. If you wander around town everyday without clothes on, it 
would be hard to accuse someone of being a "peeping Tom" just because they saw 
you naked. 

Eric 



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Eric Charles 
Assistant Professor of Psychology 
Penn State, Altoona 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Nicholas Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> 
To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" <friam@redfish.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:45:52 PM 
Subject: [FRIAM] Privacy vs Open Public Data 



Dear all, 

We had a discussion last Friday at Friam that I would like to see continued 
here. Many of us had seen a recent talk in which somebody was using satellite 
imagery to track an individual through his day. The resolution of such imagery 
is now down to 20 cm, and that is before processing. We stipulated (not sure 
it's true in NM) that if I were to follow one of you around for week, never 
intruding into your private space, but tagging along after you everywhere you 
went and patiently recording your every public act, that I could eventually be 
thrown in jail for stalking. We tried to decide what the law should say about 
assembling public data to create a record of the moment by moment activities of 
an individual. We suspected that nothing in law would forbid that kind of 
surveillance, but it made some of us uneasy. So much of what we take to be our 
private lives, is, after all, just a way of organizing public data. 

We then wondered what justified any kind of privacy law. If everybody were 
honest, the cameras would reveal nothing that everybody would not be happy to 
have known? Were not privacy concerns proof of guilt? No, we concluded: they 
might be proof of SHAME, but shame and guilt are not the same, and the law, per 
se , is not in the business of punishing SHAME. 

I thought our discussion was interesting for its combination of technological 
sophistication and legal naiveté. (In short, we needed a lawyer) In the end I 
concluded that, as more and more public data is put on line and more and more 
sophisticated data mining techniques are deployed, there will come a time when 
a category of cyber-stalking might have to be identified which involves using 
public data to track and aggregate in detail the movements of a particular 
individual. Do we have an opinion on this? 

We will now be at St. Johns for the foreseeable future. 


Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson 
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology 
Clark University 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ 
http://www.cusf.org 


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