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I didn't believe Watergate the first few times I heard about it, either. "You aren't telling me that a president that was going to win an election in a walk actually sent Burglars into the Democratic Headquarters?" I just could not believe that they could be so stupid. I fell for Colin Powell's thing at the UN; my wife didn't buy it for a moment. I have to say, that in most contexts, I believe in gullibility. I think a little bit of gullibility is the best program for getting on in life. But I have been known to carry it too far. Nick From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:39 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending There are a surprising number of them on facebook, Nick. To nobody's great surprise, I guess. --Doug On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Nicholas Thompson <nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: Doug, Somebody laid the chemtrails thing on me the other day . an otherwise perfectly sensible neighbor . and I was left standing in the street with my jaw hanging open. What do you say when somebody your sort of like, touches you on the upper arm, points skyward and says, "Call me nuts, but .." I guess, "You're nuts!" N From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:14 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that the TED Controversy is Sending Well shoot, as long as we're talking about irrational belief sets, how about if we throw chemtrails into the mix. There is a not insignificant segment of the US population who fervently believe that "they" are poisoning us, on purpose. But only on those days that the jets leave con ... er ... chemtrails. No proof necessary, just *look* at those chemtrails. --Doug On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Ron Newman <ron.new...@gmail.com> wrote: But you're missing the point.: *something* is working for them if they believe it is, and is not for you or anyone who doesn't believe it is. The question is how does it work? No, that's not good enough, because it too easily leads back to premature assumptions. The question is: how can placebo be improved. Not set aside but improved. On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, glen <g...@ropella.name> wrote: Barry MacKichan wrote at 04/04/2013 10:29 AM: > I've heard it is very effective, but only for a time until the > patient discovers it is a placebo. Call it the Lincoln effect ("You > can fool all of .."). A friend of mine announced that she's now getting acupuncture for her chronic back and neck pain. There's a zealot in our local CfI (http://www.centerforinquiry.net/) group who continuously and loudly shouts about acupuncture being as quackish as homeopathy. (Seriously... is there anything as quackish as homeopathy?) The tiny amount of time I've spent looking into acupuncture indicates that it's mostly nonsense with some slight possibility of truth in regard to certain _pressure_ points and nerve clusters. But nothing that an evidence-based masseuse couldn't achieve more effectively. But I kept my mouth shut and let her talk about how well it's worked so far. My dad also used acupuncture for a racquetball associated injury. He claimed it worked very well... [ahem] ... even better than his chiropractor. I didn't want to introduce any doubt that might interfere with her placebo effect. Interestingly, I was trying to apply the Golden Rule in a post-hoc analysis of my lack of action. Would I want someone to burst my placebo effect bubble? If so, when? Immediately? 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