I personally find it disappointing that so many people are willing to adopt a belief set with no evidence, based solely on what someone said was The Truth.
On a related note, now would appear to be an excellent time to start a church, impose mandatory weekly attendance upon the faithful, and charge $20 a head at the door each week. --Doug On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Nicholas Thompson < nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote: > Yes but …..**** > > ** ** > > I didn’t believe Watergate the first few times I heard about it, either. > “You aren’t telling me that a president that was going to win an election > in a walk actually sent Burglars into the Democratic Headquarters?” I just > could not believe that they could be so stupid. I fell for Colin Powell’s > thing at the UN; my wife didn’t buy it for a moment. I have to say, that > in most contexts, I believe in gullibility. I think a little bit of > gullibility is the best program for getting on in life. But I have been > known to carry it too far. **** > > ** ** > > Nick **** > > ** ** > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas > Roberts > *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 3:39 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that > the TED Controversy is Sending**** > > ** ** > > There are a surprising number of them on facebook, Nick. To nobody's > great surprise, I guess.**** > > ** ** > > --Doug**** > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Nicholas Thompson < > nickthomp...@earthlink.net> wrote:**** > > Doug, **** > > **** > > Somebody laid the chemtrails thing on me the other day … an otherwise > perfectly sensible neighbor … and I was left standing in the street with my > jaw hanging open. What do you say when somebody your sort of like, > touches you on the upper arm, points skyward and says, “Call me nuts, but > ….” **** > > **** > > I guess, “You’re nuts!”**** > > **** > > N**** > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Douglas > Roberts > *Sent:* Thursday, April 04, 2013 12:14 PM**** > > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: [New post] The Loud and Clear Message that > the TED Controversy is Sending**** > > **** > > Well shoot, as long as we're talking about irrational belief sets, how > about if we throw chemtrails into the mix. There is a not insignificant > segment of the US population who fervently believe that "they" are > poisoning us, on purpose. But only on those days that the jets leave con > ... er ... chemtrails. No proof necessary, just *look* at those chemtrails. > **** > > **** > > --Doug**** > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Ron Newman <ron.new...@gmail.com> wrote:* > *** > > But you're missing the point.: *something* is working for them if they > believe it is, and is not for you or anyone who doesn't believe it is. The > question is how does it work? No, that's not good enough, because it too > easily leads back to premature assumptions. The question is: how can > placebo be improved. Not set aside but improved.**** > > **** > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM, glen <g...@ropella.name> wrote:**** > > Barry MacKichan wrote at 04/04/2013 10:29 AM:**** > > > I've heard it is very effective, but only for a time until the > > patient discovers it is a placebo. Call it the Lincoln effect ("You > > can fool all of ….").**** > > A friend of mine announced that she's now getting acupuncture for her > chronic back and neck pain. There's a zealot in our local CfI > (http://www.centerforinquiry.net/) group who continuously and loudly > shouts about acupuncture being as quackish as homeopathy. (Seriously... > is there anything as quackish as homeopathy?) The tiny amount of time > I've spent looking into acupuncture indicates that it's mostly nonsense > with some slight possibility of truth in regard to certain _pressure_ > points and nerve clusters. But nothing that an evidence-based masseuse > couldn't achieve more effectively. > > But I kept my mouth shut and let her talk about how well it's worked so > far. My dad also used acupuncture for a racquetball associated injury. > He claimed it worked very well... [ahem] ... even better than his > chiropractor. I didn't want to introduce any doubt that might interfere > with her placebo effect. > > Interestingly, I was trying to apply the Golden Rule in a post-hoc > analysis of my lack of action. Would I want someone to burst my placebo > effect bubble? If so, when? Immediately? Or perhaps after some window > of time as the placebo effect decays and it bumps up against the hard > biophysical/physiological limits?**** > > > -- > =><= glen e. p. ropella**** > > I can't get no peace until I get into motion**** > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com**** > > > > **** > > **** > > -- > Ron Newman, Founder > MyIdeatree.com <http://www.Ideatree.us> > The World Happiness Meter <http://worldhappinessmeter.com>**** > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com**** > > > > **** > > **** > > -- **** > > *Doug Roberts > d...@parrot-farm.net***** > > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> > **** > > * > 505-455-7333 - Office > 505-672-8213 - Mobile***** > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com**** > > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- **** > > *Doug Roberts > d...@parrot-farm.net***** > > *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> > **** > > * > 505-455-7333 - Office > 505-672-8213 - Mobile***** > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > -- *Doug Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net* *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*<http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> * <http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins> 505-455-7333 - Office 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
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