Marcus G. Daniels wrote at 08/15/2013 06:00 PM:
I think there's a tendency to focus on the decisions of a person makes because 
they can be perceived as correctable.    In contrast, if a pharmaceutical 
company puts out dangerous compounds and through a sustained and expensive 
campaign, when people start experiencing life threatening side effects, no one 
blames their CEO.   It's just a fact of life.   The `system' which is `good' 
did it. Meanwhile, Snowden or Cheney or Weiner are people we can all talk 
about, but I argue the criticism should be focused at those decisions of those 
at the top, and those decisions should be held to a higher
standard.

OK.  I can see that when talking about for-profits or even disorganized (or 
nefarious) non-profits.  But with someone like Linus Pauling ... or, hell, 
Roger Penrose for that matter (witness the beating he took for advocating 
non-computational components in the doing of mathematics by mathematicians) ... 
I tend to think of an organization (even if it's a corporation) as being _more_ 
stable, more trustworthy, because there are checks and balances built in.

When evaluating an individual, we tend to presume a dictatorship... Roger 
Penrose was the decider and he decided to advocate for non-computational 
consciousness ... or Linus Pauling was the decider and he decided to advocate 
for vitamin C.  But if we examine something like the Washington Post, as owned 
by Bezos, it will be a more trustworthy organization than Bezos, as an 
individual, will be ... I think, anyway.

Well, I don't really trust.  I just accept that I'm often powerless.  To the 
extent I can identify bad arguments, I avoid or try to stop the kind of people 
that make them over and over.   If there is no story a person can rationalize 
or falsify, it's all just guesswork anyway.

Yeah, I fall closer to that approach, myself.  But most of the people I know don't do that.  Most people seem 
almost incapable of skepticism.  Or perhaps they just really really _want_ to trust someone or some group.  
Even if they call themselves "anarchists", they seem to be incapable of dissecting the opinions of 
other "trusted" "anarchists" in their group.

I first ran into this problem when a group of people, perhaps 10-15 years younger than me, began identifying various places as 
"bro-" and people as "bros" ... e.g. "That's a bro-bar" or "She's such a bro."  I tried to tease 
out their meaning and, in the end, it was similar to "hipster".  One false move and you, too, could be instantly recategorized as 
"them" .... a bro or hipster.  E.g. if you happen to like ultimate fighting, you might be a bro. Or maybe you wear funny hats, 
you might be a hipster.

There are some mechanisms of trust at work, here.  And they are fundamentally 
different from mine and from those used by my elders.  I just can't nail them 
down.

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⇒⇐ glen e. p. ropella
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