Don't both iPhone and Android have built in alternatives that just use the
network? A brief search showed iPhone had one.  SMS as a carrier service is
so yesterday.


On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Christopher Koch
<christop...@reiswerk.de>wrote:

>  Sorry to barge in like this, I've been just a lurker on this list for
> years. Here I am writing something.
>
> WhatsApp is very popular in Germany/Europe. On my last trip over there I
> finally had to get it, too, just to communicate with friends and family.
>
> Facebook paid way too much money. The whole thing seems to be a flop for
> Facebook though: I've been seeing campaigns -- ironically, on Facebook --
> for deletion of WhatsApp because of "privacy concerns." Seems it's already
> too late for that anyway, and the advised replacement is Threema or in some
> rare instances telegram.org.
>
> On 02/22/2014 11:07 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>  Here's a good clip on the deal:
>
>  WhatsApp has garnered over 450 million monthly active users globally
> with 70% active on any given day, higher than the 62% engagement rate
> Facebook Inc 
> (NASDAQ:FB<http://www.valuewalk.com/stock-data/?stock_symbol=NASDAQ:FB>) 
> reported
> last quarter. It facilitates more than 19 billion sent messages and 34
> billion received messages daily (a single message can be sent to multiple
> people), which, according to Facebook Inc 
> (NASDAQ:FB<http://www.valuewalk.com/stock-data/?stock_symbol=NASDAQ:FB>),
> is similar to the size of the entire global SMS market. WhatsApp's
> capabilities go well beyond text messages, with more than 600 million
> photos uploaded per day and more than 200 million voice messages and 100
> million video messages sent per day.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Owen Densmore <o...@backspaces.net>wrote:
>
>>  The WhatsApp/FaceBook deal was a surprise for me, I simply wasn't hip
>> enough to even *know* about WhatsApp.
>>
>>  Well, it turns out its a replacement for SMS.  We folks in the US don't
>> use SMS which originated in the cellular system early on as a way to get
>> all of the third world able to message *very* cheaply, thus have a reason
>> to *buy* a cell phone.  That's not the case here, SMS is an expensive
>> monthly or $.25 each.  USA.  Sigh.
>>
>>  So for what its worth, WhatsApp sneakily changed the SMS madness
>> (virtually free for cellular carriers due to using 180 free bytes in the
>> control channel but heck why not rip off customers) by making "messages"
>> free.
>>
>>  Interesting.  So the entire world can now give the finger to slimy
>> cellular providers, but at the cost of joining yet another "service" with
>> all your personal information.  Oh well, who cares.
>>
>>  Even more clever, FB figured out that this would greatly enhance its
>> service.  Be nice to see how they plan to integrate it into FB, but still,
>> at around 16Billion$.  Basically they look at this as capturing the world
>> wide cellular network.
>>
>>  Apparently WhatsApp and FB have very different ideas on privacy.  I bet
>> the worst one wins.
>>
>>  Naturally anything this big is going to be the cyberslime magnet, gold
>> medal target.  Cant wait for the first billion user leak.  And no,
>> passwords won't help.  Not sure even about 2-factor.
>>
>>     -- Owen
>>
>
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