Teams can give individuals more power, but they can discourage work that is 
novel.  Often dense or clever things are seen as irrelevant because the context 
of applicability is not obvious.     Sure I can have more power, but I'm not 
learning anything more about the world or really getting any better -- the 
exercise of that power is confined to an arena that is closed and not 
significantly mutable nor redefinable by me.   And sure, skills are honed, but 
at the end of the day it is still selling out.   Meanwhile, there may be great 
insights to be made on the camel journey to Astana even though there is no 
general social reason to do it.    Defining everything in terms of its social 
value draws many if not most people into similar kinds of thinking and valuing 
similar kinds of work.   The units of cost implied by the term `productivity' 
are even defined socially, esp. the cost of labor.    And come on, your 
neighbors have expectations of you, and not all of those expectations are 
reasonable or fair.   For a long time I've had the hypothesis kind of along the 
lines of what Steve said.   The first purpose of teaching people how to cope 
with compliance is survival,  the second is to create enough rage to do 
something different.  

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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen ?
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Players, Not Selfish Individualists | The Evolution Institute

OK.  But by making that argument, you've ceded the necessary assumption within 
your original argument.  At this point, we're agreeing on the gist and 
disagreeing on minor embellishments.  Teams, in the overwhelming majority of 
cases, increase the individual agency/power of the team members.  As Steve 
said, the article didn't really teach us anything new.  But one wonders at the 
persistent false attribution of success and failure to individuals alone, or 
further, the false dichotomy between the collective and the individual.

On 10/27/2016 12:40 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> All roads leading to Rome does not imply sufficiency of transportation in 
> general.  At some point someone might propose, "I'd like to visit my family 
> in Astana and would like a road so that I don’t have to take a camel from 
> Casablanca", and then they'd look at the map and see that Pisa lacked a road 
> to Rome.  Pisa being closer to Rome, that road gets built instead.


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