Nick -
This is one of your (wonderfully, and I mean that seriously) naive
questions, and the naive answer is yes, they are surely coupled. I'm
very interested in "soundscapes" so am often very aware of both the
complex passive structure of most soundscapes (especially landscape vs
urbanscape) and the active (birdsongs, garbage trucks, wind in the
willows, sirens, ice-floes, domestic disturbances) elements.
You are likely to have a better idea than I do about whether bird's
songs are likely to be *formulated* in a more or less complex manner
when in a complex "landscape". I would guess yes to this. I would
guess that the three most relevant scales are roughly the scale of the
bird's body, it's food-source, and it's natural predators. How well
can it hide, how well can it's food hide, and how well does it's
predator hide. I"m sure this is an overly simplified model.
I think rather than fractal (literally), the more relevant concept is
"with structure at many scales".
IN any case, welcome to Alberto! My own daughter happens to be a
researcher in Flaviviruses, traditionally West Nile and Dingue, but now
is drawn into the Zika thing... I look forward to hearing more from
you Alberto!
- Steve
On 2/15/17 3:57 PM, Nick Thompson wrote:
Helloooo, List,
I would like to introduce to you Alberto Alaniz (who describes himself
in the communication below). I “met” him on Research Gate when he
downloaded a paper of mine on the structural organization of bird
song. I noticed that he was writing from a Landscape Department, and
I thought, “A landscape person who is interested in birdsong! He must
be interested in fractals!” And I was right. So please welcome him.
Steve please note?
The idea of his that I particularly want to hear you discuss is his
notion that fractality (is that a word?) in one domain can effect,
affect, impose? fractality in another. So is there a relationship
between the fractality which my research revealed in the organization
of bird song and the fractality of the landscapes on which bird
behavior is deployed.
I particularly wonder what Kim Sorvig and Jenny Quillen and ProfDave
think about this, but also wonder if others on the list could put an
oar in.
Thanks,
Nick
Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
Clark University
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/>
*From:*Alberto Jose Alaniz [mailto:alberto.ala...@ug.uchile.cl]
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:21 PM
*To:* nthomp...@clarku.edu
*Subject:* Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs
Dear Nick
I apreciate so much your invitation, so i really intrested in
participate of your discussion group. I am a young researcher
finishing my MS, and this types of oportunities look very good for my,
specially if i can interact with other scientics. About your question,
of course you can share my oppinion, now if you want i can writte a
compleate opinion in extenso, and i will send to you tomorrow in the
afternon.
My field of study is the ecologial modelling and the conservation
biology, the last year i published my firsts papers in Biological
conservation and International Journal of Epidemiology, the first one
about ecosystem conservation and the secondth is a global model of
exposure risk to Zika virus. Currently im working in ecosystems and in
assessment of habitat loss in forest specialist species (with Kathryn
Sieving from University of Florida).
*Alberto Alaniz Baeza*
Lic. en Geografía, Geógrafo & Magíster (c) Áreas Silvestres y Conservación
Becario, Laboratorio de Ecología de Ambientes Fragmentados
Departamento de Ciencias Biológicas Animales, U. de Chile
Investigador, Laboratorio de Ecología de Ecosistemas
Departamento de Recursos Naturales Renovables, U. de Chile
Académico, Centro de Formación Técnica del Medio Ambiente IDMA
+56996097443
https://albertoalaniz.wordpress.com/
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