Many birds do tend to migrate, so wondering what "stable environment" means here.
Also thinking there is at play the developmental environment (extended time of egg-to-bird-of-the-now) of the bird, as well as the outer moment-of-the-song environment. How does one talk about developmental self-similarity? (we have L-systems for simulated plant growth and so on). As I recall from back in the day, self-similarity has limiting scale horizons, where particular dimensions of growth or development dominate to support the self-similarity. C On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > Nick - > > This is one of your (wonderfully, and I mean that seriously) naive > questions, and the naive answer is yes, they are surely coupled. I'm very > interested in "soundscapes" so am often very aware of both the complex > passive structure of most soundscapes (especially landscape vs urbanscape) > and the active (birdsongs, garbage trucks, wind in the willows, sirens, > ice-floes, domestic disturbances) elements. > > You are likely to have a better idea than I do about whether bird's songs > are likely to be *formulated* in a more or less complex manner when in a > complex "landscape". I would guess yes to this. I would guess that the > three most relevant scales are roughly the scale of the bird's body, it's > food-source, and it's natural predators. How well can it hide, how well > can it's food hide, and how well does it's predator hide. I"m sure this > is an overly simplified model. > > I think rather than fractal (literally), the more relevant concept is > "with structure at many scales". > > IN any case, welcome to Alberto! My own daughter happens to be a > researcher in Flaviviruses, traditionally West Nile and Dingue, but now is > drawn into the Zika thing... I look forward to hearing more from you > Alberto! > > - Steve > > On 2/15/17 3:57 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > > Helloooo, List, > > > > I would like to introduce to you Alberto Alaniz (who describes himself in > the communication below). I “met” him on Research Gate when he downloaded > a paper of mine on the structural organization of bird song. I noticed > that he was writing from a Landscape Department, and I thought, “A > landscape person who is interested in birdsong! He must be interested in > fractals!” And I was right. So please welcome him. Steve please note? > > > > The idea of his that I particularly want to hear you discuss is his notion > that fractality (is that a word?) in one domain can effect, affect, impose? > fractality in another. So is there a relationship between the fractality > which my research revealed in the organization of bird song and the > fractality of the landscapes on which bird behavior is deployed. > > > > I particularly wonder what Kim Sorvig and Jenny Quillen and ProfDave > think about this, but also wonder if others on the list could put an oar > in. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nick > > > > > > Nicholas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Alberto Jose Alaniz [mailto:alberto.ala...@ug.uchile.cl > <alberto.ala...@ug.uchile.cl>] > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:21 PM > *To:* nthomp...@clarku.edu > *Subject:* Fractal discussion Landscape-bird songs > > > > Dear Nick > > > > I apreciate so much your invitation, so i really intrested in participate > of your discussion group. I am a young researcher finishing my MS, and this > types of oportunities look very good for my, specially if i can interact > with other scientics. About your question, of course you can share my > oppinion, now if you want i can writte a compleate opinion in extenso, and > i will send to you tomorrow in the afternon. > > > > My field of study is the ecologial modelling and the conservation biology, > the last year i published my firsts papers in Biological conservation and > International Journal of Epidemiology, the first one about ecosystem > conservation and the secondth is a global model of exposure risk to Zika > virus. Currently im working in ecosystems and in assessment of habitat loss > in forest specialist species (with Kathryn Sieving from University of > Florida). > > > > *Alberto Alaniz Baeza* > > Lic. en Geografía, Geógrafo & Magíster (c) Áreas Silvestres y Conservación > > Becario, Laboratorio de Ecología de Ambientes Fragmentados > > Departamento de Ciencias Biológicas Animales, U. de Chile > > Investigador, Laboratorio de Ecología de Ecosistemas > > Departamento de Recursos Naturales Renovables, U. de Chile > > Académico, Centro de Formación Técnica del Medio Ambiente IDMA > > +56996097443 <+56%209%209609%207443> > > https://albertoalaniz.wordpress.com/ > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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