I thought about what you said some Steve. My experience so far. Is that sometime after I consously started to go for a more balanced diet (for example) a ton of other things started to get improve a little: not as moody (that I can tell) and simillar to yours so far just better focus.
It's amazing how good for you cardio is from the linked studies! I one of them sugested it grows the hypocampus somehow, and another suggested (trying to) go for a flow state somehow repairs brain damages. That's amazing! I have no idea that works because the medical terminology started to go over my head alas, something to to with CY enzimes (they think) and or possibly triggering NeuronGrowthFactors... if I understood the articles correctly that's more true for people with injuries, elderly, and amazingly mental health conditions. I For what it's worth, Steve about your salt cravings. I still have some suger cravings now...just not nearly as much as last year. I think Glen said something about not eating much before cardio cleans out the liver, I wonder if that's part of why? On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 12:28 PM Steven A Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > Gil - > > My most relevant experience is having gone through 2 different periods of > following a Ketogenic dietary regimen... once roughly 3 months and the > other roughly 6. My motives were varied, but included trying to > experience a *different* metabolic state than the one I've become > comfortable with in my advanced and overly sedentary years (last 5-10). > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenesis > https://paleoleap.com/paleo-guide-to-ketosis/ > > I'm not referring it to you for any reason in particular than my own > experience with the significantly different subjective experience I had > with food WHILE in ketosis. > > It is a bit of a commitment... it took me roughly 1 week of modest > discomfort to get into ketosis and a single carb-binge ( a day or more) can > kick you back out, requiring another (nearly as long) period of > transition. I went through one full-reset the first time because I > misunderstood that "buttermilk" carried as much lactose (a sugar) as > regular milk (whole or low-fat notwithstanding). It also means narrowing > the spectrum of familiar foods quite a bit. No carbs means no sugar, > fruit, starchy vegetables, grains, legumes, milk, etc. but does admit > (promote) fatty foods like cheese, lean and fatty meats, eggs, > oil/butter. As a mostly vegetarian, that meant my standby easy go-to > meals were omelettes and Cobb salads (often without meat) with at least > one, often two avocados per day (in the omelette/salad or on the side). > > The ketogenic metabolism also consumes extra electrolytes as the liver > actually *produces* water as it converts fats into ketones. This is good > news for anyone struggling to reduce sodium levels. The avocados provided > an easy way to get both high-fat and potassium salts and a taste/texture > treat. Extra water-consumption is suggested, at least during the > transition into ketogenesis to help flush the various toxins that come with > the shift. I did my two periods over the summer each time, and it has > become my practice to drink at least two liters of water a day laced with > electrolytes (potassium/magnesium salts) and apple-cider vinegar) as a > "gatorade" replacement in the warm seasons. I used to crave salt > terribly... this undermines my salt-cravings entirely. I find it > incredibly satisfying, especially while in ketogenesis. > > Ketogenesis is prescribed for a wide range of things from kicking off > weight loss with (sometimes) lasting metabolic differences (i.e. Atkins, > etc.) to some forms of brain dysfunction (epilepsy, alzheimers), to > athletic performance (endurance and strength, though not muscle-building). > I was lead to it by my daughter and her partner who are both performance > athletes and paleo-nutritionists. I found that while in ketogenesis, my > endurance for physical activity increased (after the first week of > low-energy, etc. during transition) and my hunger was very level... I > *never* had any strong desire (other than habitual) to gobble down a donut > or pizza or a burrito. When I followed the "intermittent fasting" ideal > (restricting food consumption to 4-6 hours a day), eating became much more > of an abstraction and/or entirely instinctual process. I *enjoyed* my > meals, but did not crave them or find myself checking the clock... if > anything I'd realize that I had entered my "eating window" (nominally 2=6 > pm for me) without realizing it. The idea behind the intermittent fasting > (which can include missing an entire eating cycle) is to keep the liver > working hard at converting body-fat to ketones. > > I would also claim that I felt more mental focus (once past that first > week). This is one of the reasons my daughter and partner seek > ketogenesis, they feel that when they are eating carbs, they often > experience a brain-fog. My own experience is not as stark, but I feel > that self-analysis of mental states is VERY subjective. In general my > transition into/out of ketogenesis was much less dramatic than is often > reported. The "keto flu" going in has been reported lasting up to 2 weeks > and returning to carbs is often reported to generate "bloating", "brain > fog", etc. My experiences of the transitions were very mild compared to > those reported by others. > > I don't know if this helps you think about your own metabolic responses to > various foods and exercise experiences, but I find that kind of > introspection/self-experimentation fascinating. > > - Steve > On 1/10/19 10:07 AM, ∄ uǝʃƃ wrote: > > From what I've experienced of fasting (more than 36 hours ... not just > skipping a meal now and then), I've gotten an energy *boost* from it. I do > crash harder after I finally do eat, though. Some of the pop-sci literature > also suggests we might enter something like a starvation state if we exhaust > the glucogen stores in the liver. And if you exercise before eating, then > you're supposedly getting that glucose sugar from your liver. > > Most of the actual science literature is still too far removed from day to > day living to be very meaningful, in my opinion. Although I just noticed > Marcus' list and haven't followed those links, yet. > > > On 1/10/19 8:36 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > > (Yes I know that's not really how to use ponder) > > Recently I decided to take my health way more earnestly and are genuinly > curius about something if anyone has some ideas: > > What is it about cardio after a certain amount that makes it energizing? > For example Monday after I wanted to see how long I could do a stationary > bike. I felt pretty hyper. I didn't have anything other than 2 cups of > coffee before then. > > I have also found I don't particularly crave cookies, and to some degree > don't crave coke nearly as much. > > Lastly: Man, something about fruit juice recently just..really hits the > spot. > > Just curious.. > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > archives back to 2003: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove >
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