If there is an artifact, it makes me wonder what the point of the artifact practitioner is. Law, medicine, this should all fall to AI.
-----Original Message----- From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Monday, September 13, 2021 10:20 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit Exactly. EricC's comment on correlations between the originalist-textualist axis and the liberal-conservative axis ignores the useful idiot, Tool, aspect. The question is one of whether or not there is such a thing as Ground Truth. When ACB makes some decision based on some occult perspective, originalist or pragmatist or whatever, how can she be sure she's not merely a tool for the conservatives? In long-winded, written out justifications, that artifact allows for both criticism/error-correction *and* postmodern reinterpretation of that artifact. But with dead-of-night, unsigned rulings, we're no better off than drunk texting one's ex- ... or "wingin' it" when cutting lumber for your porch. So, here, ACB is demonstrating that she *is* a political hack, by defending occult decisions, post hoc. And it doesn't really matter what quadrant it lands on in the 2D space. What matters is the *method*, laid out in bare artifacts that we can all criticize. One of my employees argued, in response to my criticism, that I simply don't understand his "method" or "process". Well, yeah. Right. Of course I don't understand your (pretention at a) method or process because I have no artifacts to either learn from or deconstruct. No artifact = no method. Similarly, the guy building our porch is doing a fantastic job. But he does it all in his head ... no design documents ... no drafting ... etc. Do savants contribute to society? Or are they really just crypto-leeches on society? ACB can claim to be originalist till the cows come home. But we'll never know for sure. And she can never know for sure, either. Decades from now, we'll be able to induce some methods from her written opinions. But not yet. On 9/13/21 9:42 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > Another great tradition is naming a flawed thing to give it more legitimacy > than it deserves. > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles > *Sent:* Monday, September 13, 2021 9:30 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Calling Bullshit > > > > "Originalism", in this context, is a label for a particular tradition > of textual interpretation, when faced with current legal challenges. Haggling > over the exact label that would be appropriate isn't as useful as it seems. > The tradition in question strives to determine the intent of the laws at the > time of its writing and/or the implications that the word and phrase choices > would have had at the time of the writing. That such an approach is > inherently imperfect is of no real consequence, as no approach is going to be > executed perfectly. The intent stands as the intent, regardless of whether it > can ever be perfectly achieved. > > > > There is nothing inherently "timeless" about a statement that because > militias are important to maintain we should have the right to bear arms. In > fact, there is a clear political process (constitutional amendment) that can > alter that text at any time. The Judicial approach in question holds that, > until such a time as there is sufficient will to change the text, the text > stands, as designed at the time. If we modified the 2nd Amendment at a > Constitutional Convention next year, all "originalist" justices, moving > forward, would try to determine how the intent of that new phrasing, as > understood in the year 2022, was relevant to legal challenges that were not > anticipated at the time of the new-Amendment's writing. > > > > I'm not saying that's the best approach available, just that it is > coherent, and well understood within the legal profession. > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 12:13 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com > <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: > > If one “read through” to a timeless intent, then how is originalism, > original? It implies that deconstruction is unwelcome beyond some point. > That it is essentially a religion. > > > On Sep 13, 2021, at 8:43 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ <geprope...@gmail.com > <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On 9/13/21 8:14 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Glen, I wonder what ACB thinks "pragmatism" is. Holmes was a prime > member of the Metaphysical Club with Peirce and James. Was he a Judicial > Pragmatist? On Comey's account? I would love to know. Thing we have > learned is that a besotted person is a besotted person first and last, no > matter how intelligent they are. > > > > Yeah, I thought her [ab]use of the term might trigger you. I think her > usage is just fine. Were she at my pub, I'd ask what the difference is > between being pragmatic and being "textual" ... those liberal justices are > probably "postmodern marxists". Pffft. > > > >> On 9/13/21 8:14 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > >> Being an 'originalist' is the sort of thing that bible school might > teach one to do? > > > > I don't think so, at least not in a naive sense. I've never been to > Bible School. But my Church of Christ friend claims they were taught to "read > through" the text, like a good modernist. So, they were very tolerant of > metaphor. The grape juice and crackers were *not* actual blood and flesh. At > least *some* subset of the protestants aren't batsh¡t. -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . 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