Ha! You are the worst type of troll. Why we keep feeding you is a question for the age.
Obviously, I haven't claimed there are no phenomena. I've claimed there are no epiphenomena. On 9/16/21 8:56 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Ok. Iff so, there are no phenemona, just apparent phenomena. I'm ok with > that. n > > Nick Thompson > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 11:10 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc > > I'm not talking about observations, or your observations. I'm talking about > the classification of a phenomenon as secondary or non-causal. There are no > secondary or non-causal phenomena. There are no epiphenomena, only apparent > epiphenomena. > > > On 9/16/21 7:54 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >> Glen, >> >> All observations are myopic. All observations are from a point of view. >> All propositions are three-valued. So, what is this universal point of view >> from which you hold my observations to be myopic? Eh? Even back on my >> meds I can see that there is something wrong with that. >> >> n >> >> Nick Thompson >> thompnicks...@gmail.com >> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of ? glen >> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2021 5:31 AM >> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >> <friam@redfish.com> >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc >> >> Both EricC's and Marcus' responses say what I'm about to say, but in >> different language. >> >> There is no such thing as 'epiphenomena'. When you see something you *think* >> is epi, it means you've imputed your preconceived function. It's myopic >> preemptive registration. >> >> >> >> On September 15, 2021 8:24:49 PM PDT, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >>> Hi, everyone [who is still following this thread]. >>> >>> >>> >>> Before I go back on my meds, I just thought I would send along this link >>> <https://www.huffpost.com/entry/compass-pleasure_b_890342> . I should >>> perhaps be embarrassed at sending a HuffPost link, but the summary of the >>> old Olds/Milner research seems accurate enough and it is very succinct. >>> On my account we have been talking all along about the epiphenomenal >>> relation and in particular, that version of it which relates goals to >>> functions. Functions are epiphenomenal with respect to the goals that >>> serve them. The function of a pleasure (ie, a goal system) is to get us to >>> do stuff that urgently needs doing. What happens when we access the goal >>> system directly and make it possible to do essentially nothing and achieve >>> the goal? Dave says, having learned what it had to teach him, he would >>> put the device on a shelf. But how would he do that and WHY would he do >>> that? What other goal-pleasure would be sufficient to mobilize and direct >>> him in the putting of the device on the shelf. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ok. Best be done for a bit. Let’ see. One tablet a day by mouth. Sorry >>> to bother you all. I do learn a lot from these exercises, even if nobody >>> else does. And then later I write something good, and that pleases me. >>> -- "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie." ☤>$ uǝlƃ .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
