Not to be too much of a hydrogen fanboi here, but it looks like we would for many generation cases still be ahead compared to where we are with fossil. http://gcep.stanford.edu/pdfs/i6W09tDtK-48PTmzHazOuw/3.2.3.Jacobson_Golden_07.pdf
My impression is that the transport and leakage issue is one that the UH folks are trying to address. Now if they could achieve that in a vacuum.... On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:52 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > Back to growing fungus, I guess. > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff > *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2022 8:42 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ > hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal > > > > Oh, please, Frank! I guess I need to show you a bit more about why this > is a bad idea. (Or maybe you're pulling my leg.). See below from my "bad > climate mitigation notes" file and be better informed. > > > > First, the color code. "Green" hydrogen, produced by electrolysis is > expensive, so it's produced by steam reforming--cheaper, but it uses > natural gas as a feedstock and produces "grey" hydrogen which contributes > nothing to climate change mitigation. But "grey" can become "blue" > hydrogen when the CO2 is captured by carbon storage techniques that are > very doubtful on many levels. > > > > Also darn, atmospheric hydrogen sequesters hydroxyl radicals responsible > for the removal of methane. Uh-oh! There is even more interference when > hydrogen combines with oxygen in the stratosphere to form water vapor, > which also contributes to climate change. Finally, the entire process of > hydrogen production, transport, distribution, storage and use is affected > by common leaks that release gas into the atmosphere. This is one of the > biggest problems among many, and it also seems to be under-reported and not > well understood by people looking for easy answers. > > > > Like you, dear Frank. > > > > > <https://twitter.com/yanes68> > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 8:57 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I am a former pilot. I think this is an excellent idea. Don't confuse > hydrogen with hydrogen bombs. Burning hydrogen produces water, not CO2. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 8:53 PM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I need assurance from somebody--anybody--that this is an incredibly bad > idea from a governor who drank some fatally spiked Kool-Aid. > > > International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory > > > > “This project puts New Mexico and Universal Hydrogen at the center of the > global effort to decarbonize transportation and aviation in particular,” > Lujan Grisham said in a statement. “Hydrogen, solar, wind and alternative > energy are job-rich industries and New Mexico’s partnerships with these > companies are part of a forward-thinking model to create a robust and > diversified economy, while being a part of the solution when it comes to a > changing climate.” > > > BY KEVIN ROBINSON-AVILA / JOURNAL STAFF WRITER > <https://www.abqjournal.com/author/krobinson-avila> > > PUBLISHED: THURSDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AT 2:47PM > UPDATED: THURSDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AT 2:52PM > > > <https://www.abqjournal.com/2478078/international-firm-to-invest-254m-in-abq-hydrogen-factory.html?utm_source=single-post-notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=International%20firm%20to%20invest%20$254M%20in%20ABQ%20hydrogen%20factory&utm_edition=202203102152> > > Universal Hydrogen — an international company with modular hydrogen > storage technology for planes, ground transportation and heavy > manufacturing — will invest $254 million in a new manufacturing and > distribution center at the Albuquerque International Sunport, potentially > employing up to 500 people, Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham announced Thursday > afternoon.The state will contribute $10 million in Local Economic > Development Act funding for the project, which could have a $700 million > economic impact here over the next 10 years, according to the Governor’s > Office, which held a news conference Thursday at Hotel Albuquerque in Old > Town to announce the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > > > - > > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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