According to Seibert and Rees a small population is the only solution, right?
Merle, does water vapor in the stratosphere cause cooling, like an umbrella, or warming, like a blanket? Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 10:38 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > The current situation suggests a solution to global warming: A nuclear > winter with a small residual population. > > On Mar 10, 2022, at 9:26 PM, Carl Tollander <c...@plektyx.com> wrote: > > > Not to be too much of a hydrogen fanboi here, but it looks like we would > for many generation cases still be ahead compared to where we are with > fossil. > > http://gcep.stanford.edu/pdfs/i6W09tDtK-48PTmzHazOuw/3.2.3.Jacobson_Golden_07.pdf > > My impression is that the transport and leakage issue is one that the UH > folks are trying to address. Now if they could achieve that in a vacuum.... > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 9:52 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: > >> Back to growing fungus, I guess. >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Merle Lefkoff >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2022 8:42 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ >> hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal >> >> >> >> Oh, please, Frank! I guess I need to show you a bit more about why this >> is a bad idea. (Or maybe you're pulling my leg.). See below from my "bad >> climate mitigation notes" file and be better informed. >> >> >> >> First, the color code. "Green" hydrogen, produced by electrolysis is >> expensive, so it's produced by steam reforming--cheaper, but it uses >> natural gas as a feedstock and produces "grey" hydrogen which contributes >> nothing to climate change mitigation. But "grey" can become "blue" >> hydrogen when the CO2 is captured by carbon storage techniques that are >> very doubtful on many levels. >> >> >> >> Also darn, atmospheric hydrogen sequesters hydroxyl radicals responsible >> for the removal of methane. Uh-oh! There is even more interference when >> hydrogen combines with oxygen in the stratosphere to form water vapor, >> which also contributes to climate change. Finally, the entire process of >> hydrogen production, transport, distribution, storage and use is affected >> by common leaks that release gas into the atmosphere. This is one of the >> biggest problems among many, and it also seems to be under-reported and not >> well understood by people looking for easy answers. >> >> >> >> Like you, dear Frank. >> >> >> >> >> <https://twitter.com/yanes68> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 8:57 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I am a former pilot. I think this is an excellent idea. Don't confuse >> hydrogen with hydrogen bombs. Burning hydrogen produces water, not CO2. >> >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 8:53 PM Merle Lefkoff <merlelefk...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> I need assurance from somebody--anybody--that this is an incredibly bad >> idea from a governor who drank some fatally spiked Kool-Aid. >> >> >> International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory >> >> >> >> “This project puts New Mexico and Universal Hydrogen at the center of the >> global effort to decarbonize transportation and aviation in particular,” >> Lujan Grisham said in a statement. “Hydrogen, solar, wind and alternative >> energy are job-rich industries and New Mexico’s partnerships with these >> companies are part of a forward-thinking model to create a robust and >> diversified economy, while being a part of the solution when it comes to a >> changing climate.” >> >> >> BY KEVIN ROBINSON-AVILA / JOURNAL STAFF WRITER >> <https://www.abqjournal.com/author/krobinson-avila> >> >> PUBLISHED: THURSDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AT 2:47PM >> UPDATED: THURSDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AT 2:52PM >> >> >> <https://www.abqjournal.com/2478078/international-firm-to-invest-254m-in-abq-hydrogen-factory.html?utm_source=single-post-notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=International%20firm%20to%20invest%20$254M%20in%20ABQ%20hydrogen%20factory&utm_edition=202203102152> >> >> Universal Hydrogen — an international company with modular hydrogen >> storage technology for planes, ground transportation and heavy >> manufacturing — will invest $254 million in a new manufacturing and >> distribution center at the Albuquerque International Sunport, potentially >> employing up to 500 people, Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham announced Thursday >> afternoon.The state will contribute $10 million in Local Economic >> Development Act funding for the project, which could have a $700 million >> economic impact here over the next 10 years, according to the Governor’s >> Office, which held a news conference Thursday at Hotel Albuquerque in Old >> Town to announce the project. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> >> >> >> >> - >> >> >> >> .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: >> 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > .-- .- -. - / .- -.-. - .. --- -. ..--.. / -.-. --- -. .--- ..- --. .- - . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn UTC-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: > 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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