IDK. That just sounds like laziness to me. "The West" is a fiction. We all know that. And it's irrelevant to the values
aspired to by Egalitarianism or "Western Enlightenment", anyway. The actual trouble is that the egalitarians strawman
each other and allow non-egalitarians to strawman them. A good example is the (false) identification of "equal" with
"equality" or "equal opportunity" or whatever persnickety nonsense token the bullshitters poke at. The core
ideas come from positive and negative freedoms. Freedom from being mugged when you walk down the street or being shot by an incel
while studying math, polluted cities and rivers, etc. Freedom to buy a house, sell your kidney, ride your enduro through pristine
forest, etc.
There's no "wondering" there. There's no lack of concreteness there. Children shouldn't
be shot in schools. That's pretty concrete. Adults should be able to trace campaign contributions.
That's concrete. It's all clear and fairly well laid out. The strawmanny pretense that it's vague
is part of their rhetorical game. And "we" let rhetoriticians like Thiel bullshit us all
day every day.
I found this essay helpful:
Why I am not a liberal
https://sootyempiric.blogspot.com/2022/04/why-i-am-not-liberal.html
On 7/1/22 09:32, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Thiel's apparent solution, the dissolution of the administrative state has some
in common with the urging to remove the filibuster. End paralysis and force
engagement. The goals for the thinkers on the side of the Handmaid's tale or
Al-Qaeda are texts that are not too long or complicated to convey. What are
the concrete goals for the liberal agenda, other than to constantly negotiate
and atomize? He does have a point of wondering what the West is fighting for,
other than to be taken care of.
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It may come as a surprise that I agree. >8^D There will be no *widespread* Enlightenment.
We're limited to a mind-oligopoly. Whereas the intelligentsia of the right lean toward a
philosopher dictator (e.g. Thiel's "Straussian Moment"), I lean toward a maximally
sized thinking class. My inspiration is (up to my ignorance) biological. We specialize
everything into niches. Why not specialize thought as well? Clearly, some of us are better
at it than others.
The task, here, is to build an aggressive thinking class which rests on
peri-altrustic values. What those values are and how they evolve is above my
pay grade. But they are similar to those often attributed to the Enlightenment
project (equivalence classes, freedom, do no harm, progress, justified true
belief, etc.). And then pit that class against those who desire a singular
benevolent dictator.
And that *war*, between those two groups of thinkers might be able to proceed
with minimal suffering on the part of the non-thinkers, preferably through
words and soft power as opposed to fire and blood.
But if "our" cognitively powerful people don't step up and take on the duty to out-think
"their" cognitively powerful people, then you're right. Fire and blood it will be.
On 7/1/22 08:29, Marcus Daniels wrote:
I guess it will come as no surprise I think there will be no Enlightenment.
There will be no civil debate. A culture war is a war, and winning a war
requires cruelty. That's why the other side is winning. They have their
preferences, and they are pursuing them. Liberals degenerate to too much
reflection and inaction. It's not going to be a win-win.
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The time for organized response has long passed. Voting Dem won't help much
because of the antidemocratic senate, electoral college, and scotus.
But we do have some tactical responses in place like the ACLU and such. They're
just not strategic enough.
The depth of organization on the right seems to outstrip that of the left,
despite the superficial distraction of the altright neoreactionaries and
empty-headed 'deplorables'. Orgs like the Federalists have been planning and
strategizing for decades while the Enlightenment project languishes in neglect.
Those of us NOT actively working on the "how we do that" part bear as much
blame for the cruelty as the cruel, themselves. I'm as guilty as any dork, finding it
much easier to plunge my head into the sand that is my tiny, largely irrelevant subdomain
where I'm warm and comfy. But the dorks need to pull their heads out and work
strategically on the political problem staring us in the face.
Getting to THAT shared value is a prerequsite to an effective long term
strategy.
On June 30, 2022 9:33:34 PM PDT, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote:
First, a nap!
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn0853
On Jun 30, 2022, at 5:56 PM, Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm hoping that there is an overwhelming response by young people to vote
Democrat in the upcoming elections. Traditionally young people haven't voted
in the numbers you'd expect.
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Santa Fe, NM
On Thu, Jun 30, 2022, 6:41 PM David Eric Smith
<desm...@santafe.edu<mailto:desm...@santafe.edu>> wrote:
Yeah, the theme of performative cruelty as a social movement has now fully
found and asserted its identity.
I wonder when the rest of us decide this is enough of a threat to need an
organized response, and how we do that.
Eric
On Jul 1, 2022, at 8:17 AM, Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org<mailto:r...@elf.org>>
wrote:
And they're discussing how to adapt the Texas bounty hunter law for catching
people who cross state lines for forbidden practices.
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On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 3:12 PM Marcus Daniels
<mar...@snoutfarm.com<mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
I can see it now. Netflix and others won't let me watch when I'm a VPN.
When folks ask the AI bot for contingencies for their self-administered medical
procedures like this, only those on the coasts will get answers, whereas the
s**thole states will require these services be blocked.
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In the aftermath of the activist Justices overturning RvW, this popped up in my
feed:
How to Give Yourself an Abortion
https://jewishcurrents.org/how-to-give-yourself-an-abortion<https://l
inkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fjewishcurrents.org%2fhow-t
o-give-yourself-an-abortion&c=E,1,-Zhst6g-QuPY81edlf5guSgQZYWNBDtKv-d
Bpsl270nvAgGGtae69BEi6B5aBys3TXw8Qrfjnw9C54JCGo7OUuFmFQpqvGQdE4H0Opbw
hUY120PDbMU,&typo=1>
I remain torn on the issue of self-care. And lots of energy was added
to my oscillators with the whole "horse dewormer" thing for COVID-19.
(Yes, I'm poking fun both at the people who bought veterinary
ivermectin and the people who used the disgusting sneer "horse
dewormer".) To boot, this post came up this morning about a
homeopathic packet sent home with the patient after surgery:
https://centerforinquiry.salsalabs.org/2022cfimidyearemailversion11<h
ttps://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fcenterforinquiry.s
alsalabs.org%2f2022cfimidyearemailversion11&c=E,1,2-tYnySplBvRbyAEZY0
KK5_SNRCghwoq9MmOb6g5eMt9G2A_oGrBmm9E1TaU7yvGTUKGOPabsgE4XOSxdStdMKcx
T0twCXUSsGHdzEdo&typo=1>. (Placebo is a thing, despite Blumner's
write-off.)
Nick is fond of asking people whether they take multivitamins or not.
And while it's true most experts claim that *healthy* people just pee
them out. *Who* amongst us actually qualifies as "healthy"? What does
"health" even mean? That's not an idle or rhetorical question. Am I
"healthy", despite the excruciating chronic pain in my shoulders,
neck, and lower back? Despite my sporadic debilitating migraines?
Despite my now abated follicular lymphoma? Sure, I *seem* healthy
because I can do pull-ups, shovel dirt, drink 5 pints without a
hangover, and maintain a full-time job with a bit of time for
hobbies. But what you see from the outside doesn't reflect what I
feel on the inside, which is like a sick puppy where the slightest
bad event would topple me into the "disabled" category. "Healthy" is
at best a misinformation concept, at worst a malinformation concept:
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mdm-incident-re
sponse-guide_508.pdf<https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2
f%2fwww.cisa.gov%2fsites%2fdefault%2ffiles%2fpublications%2fmdm-incid
ent-response-guide_508.pdf&c=E,1,Ef-lWkoDnJgtSZ-J-K2J__Wq3myHESDDO7FO
gc7aBf48epSTTibefBKrHiCBz7IkvQMKq_jRU9CmI-tNPXyTpwFzlorlRHmoGOhnyCjNZ
IFl-1kNK5Uos08,&typo=1>
Sneer all you want at the new-age descendant reading self-help books, cutting out
magazine ads for their "vision board", or self-administering veterinary
de-fetus pills, but there's something important, here. Fad diets, bottled water,
alcoholism or pregnancy as an indicator for moral failure, etc. all point at that thing,
whatever that thing is.
In that context, self-administered abortion is legit.
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