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On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 9:38 PM cody dooderson <d00d3r...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks like fiction will never be the same. Here is a list of books
> written by gpt3, https://lifearchitect.ai/books-by-ai/ .
> I haven't read any of these.
>
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 7:39 PM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm>
> wrote:
>
>> I would not consider Asimov's robots to be "flat and empty," but they are
>> an anomaly in that regard. They did, after all, invent the Zeroth Law of
>> Robotics all by themselves.
>>
>> davew
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, at 2:18 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:
>>
>> I feel like this is yet another reminder that humans, by and large, lack
>> imagination.
>>
>> The reason robots in sci-fi are flat and empty is because sci-fi is
>> re-telling Descartes’s assertion that everything except humans (probably,
>> sotto voce, except him) are flat and affectless.  Maybe even more than
>> machines are that, we imprint that on the paradigm of machine.  It’s just
>> the age-old thing of people needing to feel singular and important, and
>> using vehicles like religion to systematize their neediness.  That sci-fi
>> prides itself on being imaginative, while re-telling the same small
>> portfolio of bible stories and other similar sources is human
>> Dunning-Krugerness on display.
>>
>> A world free of all that corruption probably has lots of dimensions of
>> possibility that humans will just drive by without noticing because their
>> minds are elsewhere.
>>
>> Of course, each of your detailed points I recognize is true and a good
>> one,
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2022, at 2:05 AM, cody dooderson <d00d3r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is surprising that AI is so creative. Many science fiction robots were
>> calculated but uncreative. They are like Data from star trek, basically a
>> calculator with very little creative potential. But it seems like AI, as it
>> develops, is actually more creative than its human counterparts.
>> Here are a few examples that come to mind. AlphaGo beat the grandmaster,
>> Lee Sedol, with moves that the grandmaster had never seen before. The art
>> world is seeing some very cool stuff coming out of trained neural networks
>> like Dall-e2*.  In the Sony article, they talk about a trick where the AI
>> put a wheel on the grass to initiate a controlled slide. Do you think that
>> modern Neural networks will give any insight into the nature of creativity?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> * Dall-e2 https://www.reddit.com/r/weirddalle/
>>
>> Cody Smith
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 7:19 AM Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote:
>>
>> Two articles from MIT Tech Review.
>>
>>
>> https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/07/19/1056176/sonys-racing-ai-destroyed-its-human-competitors-by-being-nice-and-fast/
>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.technologyreview.com%2f2022%2f07%2f19%2f1056176%2fsonys-racing-ai-destroyed-its-human-competitors-by-being-nice-and-fast%2f&c=E,1,sW_uqrRPOXBSOBOKyAZBXmUeEC_gAg6bC8gm1INQST-ojGhCL2hs6hZ0n3OXOMaE29ZvHzCImJ-clJq2975O6Z7VJXWF-auEZX7UaV_rfFo7jCerKI3uQrTt&typo=1>
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>> Training AI drivers for Gran Turismo racing, it turns out that they can
>> learn to physically drive faster than people, but they're too aggressive to
>> win head to head races because they drive the competition off the road.  So
>> you need to train them to observe the norms of the competition, by
>> including penalties for crashes, bumps, cut-offs, etc, into the training.
>> They still drive faster than people, and the way they drive is a bit
>> disturbing to watch.
>>
>> [So if you were training AI drivers for political races, would the norms
>> come from established law or where the voters could be persuaded to mark
>> their polls?]
>>
>>
>> https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/07/20/1056219/weed-influencer-and-scientist-feud-over-cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome/
>> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.technologyreview.com%2f2022%2f07%2f20%2f1056219%2fweed-influencer-and-scientist-feud-over-cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome%2f&c=E,1,V2LEaPWTwH3T7VFjGfU7bcnhh0onNBmvFckXpaLoRhfL1fS-X5j4_shbXCArwd2na4pUY52IMOtyZK5VLSHLt7YD7qfxOsYsys64-ZDOhZIodihFmXY1Zg,,&typo=1>
>>
>> The scientist and the instagram influencer attempt to study the genetic
>> causes of CHS (cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome) and the influencer blows
>> up the study when she declares that the scientist is a shill on her
>> channel.  Ah the joys of decision making with uncertainty and cognitive
>> bias.
>>
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