Hi, Everybody, I don't know how my post dinner thank you note got into this feed. I apologise for that.
Hi, David. Great to hear from you. The New england town Hall was Dewey's model o democracy. But Biden is precisely not a charismatic leader, right? NIck . On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 11:22 AM Prof David West <profw...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > Nick said, > > *"In democracy, we find some way to blend our experiences into a common > view."* > > If the "democracy" of which you speak is that of the New England Town > Hall, or that of tribal societies of long ago, you are probably reasonably > accurate. > > However, that sense of "democracy" no longer exists, at least here in the > US. Regardless of how one votes, the result is absolutely and completely > *assigning > X the job of determining our common reality*. > > davew > > On Fri, May 31, 2024, at 9:58 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: > > This (see below) got served up to me out of the blue this morning. The > way it's put here, Frank and Bruce might actually agree with it. Still, > it's straight Peirce. I have no idea who the author is; do any of you? > > Here's crucial passage. > > *Our understanding of reality needs a complete overhaul. Rather than > viewing it as a fixed, external stage upon which events play out, we should > consider it as a dynamic interplay between observers and their > environment [*experiences*]. Reality, in this view, doesn’t reside out > there, independent of us. Instead, reality is our interactions with the > world [*one another*], shaped and defined by our observations [* > experiences*]. Reality is nothing but [*the telos of*] those interactions > between subjects.* > > I had to make those little changes because the author, like so many > aspiring monists, after arguing against observer independence for a hundred > words, slips up by implying that the "environment" is anything but > something else that we have to agree upon, if we are ever going to get on > with life. > > By the way, I stipulate that nothing in his argument has ANYTHING to do > with quantum mechanics. The argument would be sound even if the idea of a > quantum had never been thought. However, I like the idea of physics as > some kind of language of convergent belief. > > By the way, In history there seem to have been two ways for people > converge on a common experience, charisma and democracy. In charisma, we > pick some idiot (usually a psychopath) and share his or her experience. In > democracy, we find some way to blend our experiences into a common view. > Sometime in the next few months we will decide which way we want to go. > Do we want to assign Trump the job of determining our common reality, or > do we want to continue to work it out amongst ourselves through experiment > and argument. > > Weather gorgeous here in the mosquito infested swamp. Garden thriving. A > much better year. > > Watch that dry line in TX. It's truly amazing. Can it really be true > that I am the only weather fanatic on a list that is devoted to > complexity? How can that be? > > NIck > > > > > https://medium.com/machine-cognition/objective-reality-doesnt-exist-it-is-time-to-accept-it-and-move-on-7524b494d6af > > <https://medium.com/machine-cognition/objective-reality-doesnt-exist-it-is-time-to-accept-it-and-move-on-7524b494d6af> > Objective Reality Doesn’t Exist: It is Time to Embrace it and Move On > <https://medium.com/machine-cognition/objective-reality-doesnt-exist-it-is-time-to-accept-it-and-move-on-7524b494d6af> > The shift towards a unified, observer-dependent reality forces us to let > go — once and for all — of the idea of objective reality > medium.com > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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