After briefly looking at Baba and discovering that Michael Levin, whose
work I admire, holds it in high regard, I think it's worth evaluating. One
of my daughters lives on another continent with her family, and I am
fortunate to have a weekly remote one-hour session teaching Python to my
nine-year-old grandson. We both enjoy it immensely. These young ones seem
so much smarter than we (or rather I) used to be. In any case, I believe it
would be worthwhile for me to explore Baba and eventually introduce it to
my grandson when he's ready to advance from coding. Perhaps, with all the
AI tools available, there isn't much future in merely coding, and games
like Baba might help unlock new opportunities for them. I'm not sure, but
it's worth considering.

On Sun, 16 Jun 2024 at 23:53, Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote:

> My older daughter knows Baba Is You, she says it's very interesting in a
> tear down the boxes sort of way.
>
> -- rec --
>
> On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 1:44 PM Frank Wimberly <wimber...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Like.  I have grandkids ranging in age from 3 to 27.  I wonder if I'll
>> have great grandkids.  My adult grandsons' girlfriends think babies are
>> "disgusting".  I hope many others in their generation feel differently.
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2024, 12:59 PM steve smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is all so apropos of my quest to provide "elder advice" to my
>>> children (40-somethings), nieces/nephews (30-somethings), and grandchildren
>>> (5, 12)... I know (most) everything I experienced/learned a half-century
>>> ago is only marginally relevant as most of what my parents/grandparents
>>> tried to pack me up were both sage and ill-advised at the same time...
>>>
>>> I'll be passing this down a generation or two...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/16/24 9:35 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting post on hackernews today.  Michael Levin is arguing that a
>>> video puzzle game, Baba Is You (
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Is_You or https://hempuli.com/baba/),
>>> is good preparation for working in his lab.
>>>
>>> What’s cool about this puzzle game (besides the fact that it’s
>>>> challenging and fun) is that it gets you to break a number of mental
>>>> categories and think more continuously and fluidly about topics relevant to
>>>> the understanding of life and mind. Among other things, it dissolves
>>>> barriers between data and algorithm, between a cognitive system and its
>>>> contents, and gets you to think differently. People often ask me what kind
>>>> of preparation they need to join our lab; I think I’ll put this game on
>>>> that list. It’s a good introduction to the relevant mental flexibility,
>>>> especially given our latest directions
>>>> <https://drmichaellevin.org/research/newdirections.html>. Hofstadter’s
>>>> incredible, classic GEB
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach> is another
>>>> such.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- rec --
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