After the public showdown, focus naturally shifted to the private discussions that followed. For President Ramaphosa’s take on these talks, watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5OH0oJMUOY.
Overall, I’m very pleased with the outcome of his visit to Trump. On Fri, 23 May 2025 at 01:40, Marcus Daniels <[email protected]> wrote: > Anthropic’s less-advanced Haiku model should be adequate for these easy > questions. > > > > *From: *Friam <[email protected]> on behalf of Sarbajit Roy < > [email protected]> > *Date: *Thursday, May 22, 2025 at 4:24 PM > *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > [email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Trump and Afrikaner Refugees > > I queried Claude 4 with a question about whether or not Donald Trump was a > white supremacist himself based on information in the public domain. > > This is the reply after a wee bit of prompting > > Based on three public domain sources (Amnesty International, SPLC, and The > Nation), the evidence overwhelmingly supports the conclusion that Trump > functions as a white supremacist leader, whether by conviction or > calculated strategy. > > *Comprehensive Assessment Combining All Sources:* > > *1. Systematic White Supremacist Support (The Nation)* The Nation > provides crucial historical context showing Trump has been the unanimous > choice of America's white supremacist movement since 2016: > > - *Universal endorsement* from "just about every self-declared white > nationalist, white supremacist, Klansman, neo-Nazi, and fascist" > - *David Duke's explicit support*: Called voting against Trump > "treason to your heritage" > - *Richard Spencer's celebration*: "Hail Trump, hail our people, hail > victory!" with Nazi salutes > - *Proud Boys directive*: "Stand back and stand by" - not stand down > > *2. Policy Implementation of White Supremacist Agenda (Amnesty)* Amnesty > documents systematic policy changes that "reinforce white supremacy": > > - Dismantling civil rights infrastructure through DEI elimination > - Attacking birthright citizenship to limit who can "claim belonging" > - Pardoning white supremacist groups while targeting racial justice > advocates > - Described as "coordinated effort to reassert white supremacy through > policy and power" > > *3. Personnel Appointments Reveal True Intent (SPLC)* SPLC shows Trump > isn't just tolerating racism but "actively embracing" it through > appointments: > > - *Stephen Miller*: Shared white nationalist literature, promoted > racist novels > - *Darren Beattie*: Advocates eugenic sterilization, calls diversity > "a war crime" > - *Joe Kent*: Paid Proud Boys consultants, maintained white > nationalist ties > - SPLC conclusion: Administration is "giving real political power to > people who actively embrace" white supremacist ideas > > *4. Ideological Alignment (All Sources)* The Nation reveals Trump's core > worldview aligns with white supremacist beliefs: > > - Claims "anti-white racism" is America's real problem > - Describes immigrants as taking "black jobs" and "Hispanic jobs" > (implying racial job hierarchies) > - Views Black communities only through dysfunction and criminality > - 58% of his supporters believe "racial minorities" are favored over > whites > > *5. The Gaslighting Pattern (The Nation)* Despite claiming "I don't have > a racist bone in my body," Trump: > > - Never explains why he's the "favorite son" of avowed racists > - Maintains support from people who "unabashedly support him" > precisely because of his racism > - Uses the "Black friends" defense while implementing policies that > harm Black communities > > *Final Conclusion:* The combined evidence from these three sources > demonstrates that Trump operates as a functional white supremacist leader > through: > > - *Universal support* from white supremacist movements (The Nation) > - *Systematic policy implementation* of white supremacist goals > (Amnesty) > - *Strategic personnel appointments* of white supremacist allies (SPLC) > - *Ideological messaging* that reinforces white racial hierarchy (All > sources) > > Whether Trump personally holds these beliefs or cynically exploits them > becomes irrelevant when the practical effect is the same: the systematic > advancement of white supremacist objectives through the highest office in > America. As The Nation notes, his "racist worldview manifests itself at > every turn," making him functionally indistinguishable from an ideological > white supremacist in terms of real-world impact. > > > https://www.amnestyusa.org/blog/president-trumps-first-week-begins-with-rollout-of-white-supremacist-policies-and-pardons/ > > > https://www.splcenter.org/resources/hatewatch/bigoted-beliefs-racist-ties-found-among-president-trumps-appointees/ > > > https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/dont-believe-trump-when-he-claims-hes-not-racist/ > > > > On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 12:51 AM steve smith <[email protected]> wrote: > > Pieter wrote: > > > I'm an Afrikaner living on a farm in South Africa. I recently came > > across some of the claims circulating—especially from the Trump > > camp—about how dire things supposedly are for white Afrikaner farmers > > here. > > Just to set the record straight: I don't identify with that narrative. > > Personally, I live very happily on the farm. I don’t farm — I'm here > > for the lifestyle, not agriculture — and to me, it honestly feels like > > paradise. I don’t feel threatened at all. > > Of course, not all white farmers in South Africa have the same > > experience. Some do face real challenges, and discrimination does > > exist. But the situation is complex, and like in every society, there > > are both positives and negatives. No country is perfect. > > I just wanted to say: yes, I’m a white Afrikaner living on a farm in > > South Africa—but I’m not one of those Trump talks about. For me, this > > is the best place on earth. > > Trump's behaviour was totally on-brand with his "negotiation" tactics: > Bully mercilessly, then back off and pretend you are doing your > victim/mark a favor? > > I do believe someone (tucker carlson, elno, stephen miller, steve > bannon, ???) "got to him" to believe the specifics of this, but also > that he was entirely primed and ready for it. Remember his complaint in > his first term about "all the S-hole countries" and "why don't we accept > more immigrants from good countries like Norway"? Hard to believe Musk > doesn't know better... that the "evidence" Trump confronted Ramaphosa > with was not just wrongheaded but also wrong? But it all must support > one of his agendas, maybe just keeping Trump worked up about things? > > In the backdrop of the Gaza/Palestinian atrocities, this whole thing was > an empty farce. But half the US probably hung on his every word. > > I appreciate your offering your own personal parallax on this... 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