Thuam is still going? Well, shoot... I would have joined if I'd seen this a few hours earlier. (I realize I'm sending this days later... but I started writing it having just missed things.)
I'm onboard with the experience-monism... I just insist that that we don't conflate psychology-monism with some sort of super-underlying-everything metaphysical monism. It is one thing to point out the almost-truism that our experiences are composed of experiences. It is another thing to assert---in some gnostic fashion---that there exists only experiences. To phrase it differently: We can convert much of Nick's work on psychology into experience-monism by making the Jamesian move of pointing out that our psychological terms refer to things we experience, and asking what, exactly, is experienced in those contexts. When a parent tells a young child they are angry---in the contexts in which the child is just learning such words---there is a thing the parent sees, which they are labeling in said fashion. They aren't labeling something that lays on the other side of a cartesian chasm, they are experiencing something directly, to which they are applying a label... and we can prioritize THAT aspect of the happening. That is different than falling down some rabbit hole where we start to talk about "universal mind" and claim that rocks are composed of experience-stuff. The former is a perfectly reasonable conversation to have (whether it is right or wrong), and the latter is squarely in the Wittgenstinian that-about-which-we-cannot-speak category. Best, (other) Eric On Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 1:02 PM Prof David West <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, please, what Eric asked. > > I would expect most people on this list to tend towards the "hyper," not > the "apha." > > davew > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2025, at 10:38 AM, Santafe wrote: > > That’s interesting, Nick (on limited time here, but just for a while) > > > >> On Nov 6, 2025, at 11:19, Nicholas Thompson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Given the work that many of you do, many of you are candidates for > "aphatasia" > > > > Can you say more about why you expect a correlation? This is not an > > association that would ever have occurred to me. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. > > / ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: 5/2017 thru present > > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > > .- .-.. .-.. / ..-. --- --- - . .-. ... / .- .-. . / .-- .-. --- -. --. / > ... --- -- . / .- .-. . / ..- ... . ..-. ..- .-.. > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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