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And what a liar you are.Yesterday a 20 year old boy got shoot dead by israel in Westbank in a demonstration. So dont speak like the soldiers are little angels. In fact Satan himself , take special course from sionist ppl. 2009/1/5 Yudi Rosen <yr42.li...@gmail.com>: > It's interesting to note how the PA Palestinians in the West Bank are living > peacefully - they're not launching attacks on Israeli citizens, and therefor > aren't being attacked back by Israel. In fact, many of them have jobs within > Israeli areas and receive benefits from the Israeli government (my source? > I'm there right now, I've asked to both Jews and Arabs about this). > > Yet in Gaza, the ruling party (Hamas) has vowed not just to establish a > Palestinian country, but also to destroy Israel and kill every last Jew. And > they attempt to make good on their words by deliberately and specificly > targeting civillians, even killing other Palestinians in the proccess. In > order to defend it's own people (both Jews and Arabs), Israel launches this > latest battle. > > THEN, (hoping to garner some sympathy for the Hamas cause, it seems?), > several people start a flamefight on a IT-security mailing list. > > ...anyone see what doesn't make sense here? > > There are places to flame about this, FD doesn't seem like one of them. > Please let's get back on topic? > > > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Avraham Schneider > <avri.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 9:25 AM, - o z - <o...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Jan 4, 2009, at 10:31 PM, Avraham Schneider wrote: >>> >>>> When there is no choice, there is no choice - Israel has to defend it's >>>> own >>>> civilian population as a first priority. >>>> >>>> Let me tell you a little of the latest events - >>>> >>>> 1) IDF calls a family in Gaza, to let them know they are about to bomb >>>> the >>>> house from the air - demanding that the family members leave >>>> immediately. >>>> (the IDF had inteligence that weapons were stored in that family's >>>> house) >>>> 2) Family members climb to the roof of the house as they know the IDF >>>> pilots >>>> would not want to harm civilians >>>> 3) The IDF pilot fires a rocket to the corner of the roof, making it >>>> clear >>>> that if they don't leave, they will die, >>>> 4) The family get the point and run away >>>> 5) House is fired at >>>> 6) Explosions ocur due to ammunition and rockets stored there. >>> >>> Correction #3: The MC actually dispatched MIGCAP to fire 20mm cannon, >>> not 'rocket' -- at the next building over. The kill ratio from a >>> rocket's shrapnel >>> would have killed anyone on the roof, hence, 20mm fire to ward off the >>> family >>> and scare the dickens out of them so they would bail from the structure. >> >> http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052034.html >> The IDF Spokesman said that Ghayan's house had served as a weapons silo >> and a war room for Hamas. Under the house, according to the IDF, was a >> tunnel which was meant to serve as an escape route in case of an Israeli >> attack. >> . >> . >> . >> The IDF has code named such operations "roof knocking," in which the army >> informs the residents of s suspected building that they have 10 minutes to >> leave the premises. In some cases, residents of suspected houses have been >> able to prevent bombing by climbing up to the roof to show that they will >> not leave, prompting IDF commanders to call off the strike. In these cases, >> Channel 10 reported Thursday, the IAF sometimes launches a relatively >> harmless missile at the corner of the roof, avoiding casualties but >> successfully dispersing the crowd. >> . >> . >> . >> It appears that the "roof knocking" technique was used in the >> assassination, but Ghayan decided to stay indoors with his family, and the >> army opted to bomb the house anyway. >> A lecturer at Gaza's Islamic University, Ghayan, 49, had mentored suicide >> bombers and would sometimes go on patrol with Hamas fighters. He was known >> for his close ties to the group's military wing and was respected in Gaza >> for donning combat fatigues and personally participating in clashes against >> Israeli forces. He sent one of his sons on an October 2001 suicide mission >> that killed two Israeli settlers in Gaza. >> >> >>> >>> >>> #4: Family found Jesus right away, no, Common Sense...and bailed from >>> the roof. >>> >>> #5: Cool fireworks display courtesy of your local IDF >>> >>> #6: Kudos to family for making a media moment of defiance, but it was >>> really time >>> to leave before someone was killed. >>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/1/4 <valdis.kletni...@vt.edu>: >>>>>> >>>>>> You people can't even agree to stop a flame war. >>>>> >>>> It's not a flame war - it's an off-topic propaganda started by a Muslim >>>> and >>>> defended by a Jew. >>>> Just add the subject to a filter rule in Outlook/gmail/whatever client >>>> you >>>> use, and forget about it. >>> >>> Defended by two Jews now, Mazel tov!!!! >> >> Thanks for the help. >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Condoleezza Rice is a very cruel, offended woman who lacks men's >>> attention. She needs to be taken to a company of man-soldiers and it would >>> be just fine. Releasing such stupid remarks gives her the feeling of being >>> fulfilled. This is the only way for her to attract men's attention. Show me >>> that Rice is a woman? The only thing she attracts is reindeer. The States >>> needs to practice the old Soviet tradition when both single women and single >>> men were not allowed to take responsible state positions..." >>> >>> --Vladimir Zhirinovsky, Russian politician, rabid leader of the Liberal >>> and Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/